1 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,460 --> 00:00:41,770 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,740 --> 00:00:44,470 ride into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:52,049 --> 00:00:47,750 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:57,189 --> 00:00:52,059 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:00,880 --> 00:00:57,199 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as well 7 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:00,890 as other dimensions it's time to take 8 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:05,810 back the night now your electrifying 9 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:09,050 hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy 10 00:01:21,430 --> 00:01:18,880 why all the Welling in the woods tonight 11 00:01:24,430 --> 00:01:21,440 then it seems like the cryptids are 12 00:01:27,730 --> 00:01:24,440 voicing their concern over something hmm 13 00:01:30,639 --> 00:01:27,740 as Timmy are in suspect they are one of 14 00:01:38,830 --> 00:01:30,649 their close friends is departed this 15 00:01:40,660 --> 00:01:38,840 world well JC Johnson I think he was 16 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:40,670 about as close to Bigfoot as any human 17 00:01:45,609 --> 00:01:43,280 could be oh my goodness well he was on 18 00:01:50,649 --> 00:01:45,619 our show quite a number of times and 19 00:01:53,020 --> 00:01:50,659 always had some fascinating stories to 20 00:01:55,450 --> 00:01:53,030 tell and personal encounters I don't 21 00:02:01,810 --> 00:01:55,460 think anybody could get any closer to a 22 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:01,820 Bigfoot than JC managed to well you know 23 00:02:08,710 --> 00:02:05,210 I think that JC and Bigfoot maybe had a 24 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:08,720 kind of a contentious relationship I 25 00:02:16,949 --> 00:02:13,310 know there were some cases where JC 26 00:02:19,750 --> 00:02:16,959 didn't quite feel like that Bigfoot had 27 00:02:25,810 --> 00:02:19,760 anybody's best interests in mind except 28 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:25,820 maybe his own well I I do remember one 29 00:02:31,660 --> 00:02:29,090 time he told the story about how Bigfoot 30 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:31,670 used to kind of hunkered down on the 31 00:02:35,979 --> 00:02:33,730 other side of the railroad track and 32 00:02:38,620 --> 00:02:35,989 they would kind of stare at each other 33 00:02:42,940 --> 00:02:38,630 and and maybe throw rocks back and forth 34 00:02:45,430 --> 00:02:42,950 or whatever oh yeah well you know I 35 00:02:48,370 --> 00:02:45,440 think it was on our show that that he 36 00:02:51,070 --> 00:02:48,380 told us the story about this one case 37 00:02:54,790 --> 00:02:51,080 where you know some kind of 38 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:54,800 giant hairy hominid had been very 39 00:03:02,460 --> 00:02:58,250 interested in a teenage teenage girl 40 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:02,470 that was living in a nearby house and so 41 00:03:11,220 --> 00:03:07,490 JC had camped out in the in the nearby 42 00:03:13,690 --> 00:03:11,230 area and he said that late at night he 43 00:03:15,910 --> 00:03:13,700 you know he was hearing something move 44 00:03:19,470 --> 00:03:15,920 around and then all of a sudden this 45 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:19,480 voice from out of the woods said who you 46 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:22,880 be and he said if it was somebody out 47 00:03:28,300 --> 00:03:26,090 there faking it he said they did a 48 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:28,310 really good job of it it might have been 49 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:30,170 it might have been the former senator 50 00:03:38,860 --> 00:03:35,690 from Alabama sounds like that's possible 51 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:38,870 but well tonight we're and we're gonna 52 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:41,210 have a well in fact it tonight by no 53 00:03:47,550 --> 00:03:44,210 coincidence I'm sure our topic is going 54 00:03:52,530 --> 00:03:47,560 to be Bigfoot and its relationship to 55 00:03:56,530 --> 00:03:52,540 UFOs and other paranormal phenomena and 56 00:03:58,449 --> 00:03:56,540 we've got the the kings of the the topic 57 00:04:05,590 --> 00:03:58,459 I don't know if that's the correct 58 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:05,600 phraseology but two experts on UFOs and 59 00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:09,290 Bigfoot and their relationship to to 60 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:13,070 each other and oneness gentlemen Stan 61 00:04:19,390 --> 00:04:16,010 Gordon who this is his first time on our 62 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:19,400 show is an outstanding a contributor I 63 00:04:27,060 --> 00:04:22,970 have been digesting his information for 64 00:04:30,610 --> 00:04:27,070 well since the 1970s there just like 65 00:04:33,990 --> 00:04:30,620 myself he's a and I'm it don't know how 66 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:34,000 to afraid this phrases an old-timer 67 00:04:39,250 --> 00:04:36,890 we were both stand where we both 68 00:04:42,340 --> 00:04:39,260 teenagers wouldn't it we started out I 69 00:04:45,330 --> 00:04:42,350 know I was of course around 15 or 16 or 70 00:04:48,610 --> 00:04:45,340 so how how old were you when you first 71 00:04:51,130 --> 00:04:48,620 checked all this out well everyone I was 72 00:04:51,790 --> 00:04:51,140 younger I started in 1959 when I was 10 73 00:04:56,110 --> 00:04:51,800 years old 74 00:04:57,970 --> 00:04:56,120 well yeah I had my first sighting to UFO 75 00:05:01,270 --> 00:04:57,980 sightings when I was 10 so there you go 76 00:05:03,969 --> 00:05:01,280 but oh Tim why don't you formally or 77 00:05:05,140 --> 00:05:03,979 introduce our guest for this evening and 78 00:05:07,750 --> 00:05:05,150 then we can 79 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:07,760 or rock out into the woods there no 80 00:05:12,670 --> 00:05:09,710 definitely well and I should point out 81 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:12,680 also Tim that I mean it's it's it's more 82 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:15,370 than just UFOs and Bigfoot I mean it 83 00:05:23,469 --> 00:05:19,130 Tanana Stan and Paul have both been 84 00:05:26,740 --> 00:05:23,479 looking into very bizarre types of 85 00:05:30,340 --> 00:05:26,750 activity I mean you know ghosts and UFOs 86 00:05:34,780 --> 00:05:30,350 and other kinds of weird cryptids you 87 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:34,790 know uh flying flying weirdos oh so to 88 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:36,770 speak kind of like what we were talking 89 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:40,370 about last week big cats I mean it's 90 00:05:46,150 --> 00:05:44,090 just it's it's overwhelming really just 91 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:46,160 all of the bizarre activity that both of 92 00:05:50,530 --> 00:05:48,130 these gentlemen have been looking into 93 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:50,540 but as you pointed out yeah we have 94 00:05:56,260 --> 00:05:52,910 first of all we have a stand Gordon with 95 00:05:58,420 --> 00:05:56,270 us and now stan has been researching UFO 96 00:06:01,029 --> 00:05:58,430 sightings Bigfoot encounters and other 97 00:06:04,719 --> 00:06:01,039 mysterious events in Pennsylvania since 98 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:04,729 as he said 1959 and I won't tell you how 99 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:08,449 old I was in 1959 but since then he's 100 00:06:12,790 --> 00:06:10,310 been involved with the investigation of 101 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:12,800 thousands of unusual incidents and he's 102 00:06:18,190 --> 00:06:16,010 the primary investigator of the 1965 UFO 103 00:06:20,230 --> 00:06:18,200 crash incident that occurred near 104 00:06:23,770 --> 00:06:20,240 Kecksburg Pennsylvania 105 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:23,780 so now stan has been on such programs as 106 00:06:28,900 --> 00:06:26,210 well as our own as the close encounter 107 00:06:30,610 --> 00:06:28,910 series on the Science Channel monsters 108 00:06:33,219 --> 00:06:30,620 and mysteries in America on the 109 00:06:34,930 --> 00:06:33,229 destination American Channel monumental 110 00:06:37,510 --> 00:06:34,940 mysteries I think you're on that one 111 00:06:40,060 --> 00:06:37,520 weren't you Tim on the Travel Channel I 112 00:06:42,010 --> 00:06:40,070 was on mysteries of the National Parks 113 00:06:44,950 --> 00:06:42,020 okay all right 114 00:06:46,779 --> 00:06:44,960 and let's see standards also I've been 115 00:06:50,110 --> 00:06:46,789 in the documentaries invasion on 116 00:06:53,710 --> 00:06:50,120 Chestnut Ridge which excellent excellent 117 00:06:57,339 --> 00:06:53,720 film by the way and wish for Giants and 118 00:07:01,300 --> 00:06:57,349 Stan you can find out more about him 119 00:07:03,370 --> 00:07:01,310 on his web site Stan Gordon dot info now 120 00:07:06,129 --> 00:07:03,380 also with us tonight is our good friend 121 00:07:09,940 --> 00:07:06,139 Paul you know I think Paul probably has 122 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:09,950 been on exploring the bizarre more than 123 00:07:13,899 --> 00:07:12,110 any of our other guests Jim will have to 124 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:13,909 look into that and see probably Peter 125 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:15,770 could let us know well you get it you 126 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:16,970 get a 127 00:07:24,430 --> 00:07:19,370 award when you do when you come on 10 128 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:24,440 times yeah what oh my god the copies of 129 00:07:31,030 --> 00:07:27,650 one of our books like the Belwood oh I 130 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:31,040 was gonna I was gonna say you get a gold 131 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:33,650 star in a smiley face you know well it's 132 00:07:42,580 --> 00:07:40,490 a start when our Paul has been called 133 00:07:44,140 --> 00:07:42,590 the most intelligent voice in paranormal 134 00:07:46,180 --> 00:07:44,150 research today and he was one of the 135 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:46,190 first paranormal investigators in the 136 00:07:50,890 --> 00:07:48,650 early 1970s beginning while he was 137 00:07:53,620 --> 00:07:50,900 studying for the priesthood his early 138 00:07:57,790 --> 00:07:53,630 manners included parapsychology pioneer 139 00:08:00,520 --> 00:07:57,800 dr. Lou Louisa Rhine and of course the 140 00:08:02,500 --> 00:08:00,530 ghost hunters ed and Lorraine Warren now 141 00:08:04,690 --> 00:08:02,510 Paul has also appeared on the travel 142 00:08:07,270 --> 00:08:04,700 discovery and History Channel's and has 143 00:08:09,730 --> 00:08:07,280 his own radio show with his son behind 144 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:09,740 the paranormal with Paul in bed you know 145 00:08:17,890 --> 00:08:14,270 this is on wo and 12:40 a.m. in the 146 00:08:19,270 --> 00:08:17,900 Boston Providence market so Stan all 147 00:08:22,150 --> 00:08:19,280 thank you very much for being with us 148 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:22,160 tonight on exploring the bizarre always 149 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:22,850 a pleasure 150 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:25,250 you know what I want to know you know 151 00:08:31,860 --> 00:08:28,850 what I want to know without us the the 152 00:08:35,050 --> 00:08:31,870 Gang of Four here what would all these 153 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:35,060 chanta cable channels do for guests I 154 00:08:42,580 --> 00:08:39,110 mean it you know we're we are the the 155 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:42,590 top of rung as far as the producers of 156 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:45,170 the shows coming in and getting a lot of 157 00:08:49,470 --> 00:08:47,210 material because we have the best 158 00:08:52,660 --> 00:08:49,480 material anyway I want to start out with 159 00:08:57,850 --> 00:08:52,670 with the stand you mentioned you got 160 00:08:59,770 --> 00:08:57,860 into this in 1959 well I know at some of 161 00:09:01,380 --> 00:08:59,780 the first sightings or Kecksburg was 162 00:09:04,180 --> 00:09:01,390 what 65 163 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:04,190 yeah the Kecksburg incident occurred 164 00:09:10,930 --> 00:09:06,770 December 9th of 65 well what were you 165 00:09:14,170 --> 00:09:10,940 what were you doing before then I was as 166 00:09:15,780 --> 00:09:14,180 a young child I was going to the local 167 00:09:18,490 --> 00:09:15,790 libraries reading all the information 168 00:09:20,950 --> 00:09:18,500 talking to some local people hearing 169 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:20,960 their stories cutting articles out of 170 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:23,450 newspapers just do it as much as I could 171 00:09:30,199 --> 00:09:28,370 and and then 1965 comes along and here's 172 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:30,209 this local UFO incident was 173 00:09:33,769 --> 00:09:31,889 making local national news I was 174 00:09:36,769 --> 00:09:33,779 documenting it I was breaking news at 175 00:09:38,660 --> 00:09:36,779 night in the Pittsburgh area and I began 176 00:09:40,999 --> 00:09:38,670 to work on the case the next day and 177 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:41,009 here we are going 53 years later and I'm 178 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:42,300 still getting information on the 179 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:44,910 incident you know you talk about a UFO 180 00:09:50,179 --> 00:09:47,910 landing in your lap I I mean you you 181 00:09:52,730 --> 00:09:50,189 were how many miles away from the the 182 00:09:55,939 --> 00:09:52,740 spot where this object supposedly came 183 00:09:57,619 --> 00:09:55,949 down in a wooded area Elvin Greensburg 184 00:09:59,869 --> 00:09:57,629 Pennsylvania about 12 miles away from 185 00:10:01,519 --> 00:09:59,879 that small world community where it 186 00:10:03,889 --> 00:10:01,529 happened I wasn't driving and I had no 187 00:10:05,660 --> 00:10:03,899 way to get out there but I remember that 188 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:05,670 night stayed up very late running back 189 00:10:09,530 --> 00:10:07,529 and forth between the black and white TV 190 00:10:12,199 --> 00:10:09,540 and the radio trying to get a lot of the 191 00:10:14,059 --> 00:10:12,209 latest information and next day I went 192 00:10:15,949 --> 00:10:14,069 and grabbed all the local newspapers and 193 00:10:17,540 --> 00:10:15,959 there was the headlines and all the 194 00:10:20,269 --> 00:10:17,550 local newspapers was making national 195 00:10:22,999 --> 00:10:20,279 news and I began the follow-ups as best 196 00:10:25,129 --> 00:10:23,009 I could at that time and over a period 197 00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:25,139 of many weeks and months and years I've 198 00:10:29,359 --> 00:10:26,910 interviewed hundreds of witnesses I've 199 00:10:31,970 --> 00:10:29,369 tracked down multitudes of important 200 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:31,980 witnesses from reporters and police 201 00:10:34,999 --> 00:10:33,809 officers and firemen and military 202 00:10:37,609 --> 00:10:35,009 sources who were involved in the 203 00:10:40,519 --> 00:10:37,619 incident and it's an amazing story we 204 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:40,529 could spend days literally talking about 205 00:10:44,929 --> 00:10:43,049 that case and what I've uncovered but at 206 00:10:47,869 --> 00:10:44,939 the whole different story well yeah well 207 00:10:50,569 --> 00:10:47,879 III would I would think it's it's 208 00:10:54,199 --> 00:10:50,579 certainly one of the most famous or 209 00:10:57,049 --> 00:10:54,209 infamous cases in the annals of UFO 210 00:11:00,819 --> 00:10:57,059 history there are of course are those 211 00:11:03,829 --> 00:11:00,829 that think it was anything from a 212 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:03,839 spaceship from some other planet or a 213 00:11:11,809 --> 00:11:09,410 Nazi time travel that a bell a craft to 214 00:11:15,889 --> 00:11:11,819 something manufactured here on earth to 215 00:11:19,579 --> 00:11:15,899 a meteorite how do you fall where do you 216 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:19,589 fall on this well there's a lots of the 217 00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:21,689 story and there's a lot more than a lot 218 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:23,670 of people are aware of I've said for 219 00:11:27,350 --> 00:11:25,049 years I keep an open mind all 220 00:11:29,629 --> 00:11:27,360 possibilities and then multitudes of 221 00:11:31,009 --> 00:11:29,639 theories since the time it happened even 222 00:11:33,230 --> 00:11:31,019 the last two years have been new 223 00:11:35,629 --> 00:11:33,240 theories come out again I keep an open 224 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:35,639 mind all possibilities but theories are 225 00:11:39,169 --> 00:11:37,290 good but you that have the evidence that 226 00:11:41,150 --> 00:11:39,179 really associates that theory with what 227 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:41,160 happened in Kecksburg and there's a lot 228 00:11:45,610 --> 00:11:43,010 more to the story in fact 229 00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:45,620 the last 20-some years I've uncovered 230 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:47,990 some very interesting information which 231 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:49,910 would it's very details long to get 232 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:51,530 involved with suggest the possibility 233 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:53,570 that there was someone or something to 234 00:11:56,710 --> 00:11:55,370 side of the object which gives you a 235 00:11:58,750 --> 00:11:56,720 whole different perspective of what we 236 00:12:00,880 --> 00:11:58,760 might be dealing with there was some 237 00:12:03,970 --> 00:12:00,890 somebody now I didn't catch that there 238 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:03,980 was something that what so the 239 00:12:07,570 --> 00:12:05,570 information I've obtained the last 240 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:07,580 20-some years from different sources 241 00:12:13,150 --> 00:12:10,730 there's good indication that there's the 242 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:13,160 possibility that there was someone or 243 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:15,050 something inside of the object that fell 244 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:18,650 ah well now that that's that's a first I 245 00:12:22,210 --> 00:12:20,690 don't think I've heard that well they 246 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:22,220 would have had it been pretty small and 247 00:12:28,420 --> 00:12:26,210 pretty cramped right yeah I mean this 248 00:12:31,810 --> 00:12:28,430 the object that they saw on the ground I 249 00:12:33,580 --> 00:12:31,820 mean soon after this object fell some of 250 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:33,590 the what we found out now we didn't know 251 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:35,210 at the time was some of the local people 252 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:38,210 went down into the woods later that was 253 00:12:41,890 --> 00:12:40,250 fall by a volunteer fireman then the 254 00:12:44,590 --> 00:12:41,900 military who arrived on the scene and 255 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:44,600 they come across this large metallic 256 00:12:49,420 --> 00:12:46,910 acorn shaped object semi buried in the 257 00:12:51,580 --> 00:12:49,430 ground it's kind of an off gold bronze 258 00:12:53,890 --> 00:12:51,590 color shaped like a big metallic acorn 259 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:53,900 it's about 10 to 12 feet or more in 260 00:12:58,690 --> 00:12:55,730 length about 8 to 10 feet in diameter 261 00:13:01,210 --> 00:12:58,700 no weld marks no seams or rivet marks on 262 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:01,220 the raised up part of the back of the 263 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:02,810 object where you'd like to have like the 264 00:13:06,490 --> 00:13:04,970 back of the acorn witnesses who are only 265 00:13:08,740 --> 00:13:06,500 a few feet away from it said there were 266 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:08,750 these raised up markings that were more 267 00:13:15,670 --> 00:13:12,410 like symbols it's a fascinating story 268 00:13:17,650 --> 00:13:15,680 and now regardless of what this thing or 269 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:17,660 was it's just an amazing accounts of 270 00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:19,310 something that we still don't have 271 00:13:24,070 --> 00:13:21,440 answers for what well now how could 272 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:24,080 somebody have gotten in or out of this 273 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:28,010 was there an opening of some sort there 274 00:13:32,470 --> 00:13:30,410 was nothing that was seen because it was 275 00:13:34,540 --> 00:13:32,480 dirt and debris around it from the 276 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:34,550 people got down there and you know at 277 00:13:39,190 --> 00:13:37,490 that time and again a lot of it was just 278 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:39,200 getting dark in the area and as time 279 00:13:43,510 --> 00:13:40,970 went on was getting darker and darker as 280 00:13:46,390 --> 00:13:43,520 different people came in but according 281 00:13:49,330 --> 00:13:46,400 to one witness who was reluctant to talk 282 00:13:52,180 --> 00:13:49,340 to me about it over many many many years 283 00:13:54,850 --> 00:13:52,190 later and then others have given me 284 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:54,860 other similar information he claimed 285 00:13:59,050 --> 00:13:56,450 that while he was hiding down 286 00:14:00,730 --> 00:13:59,060 in the woods watching the military 287 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:00,740 operation recovering this thing and 288 00:14:04,180 --> 00:14:02,510 loading it onto the flatbed truck has 289 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:04,190 got down there with a military flatbed 290 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:07,010 that there was like a hatch that opened 291 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:11,090 in the front of the object and well to 292 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:12,890 make the story short he said he was 293 00:14:17,950 --> 00:14:15,650 hiding in the woods he had branches of 294 00:14:19,870 --> 00:14:17,960 trees around him he had to keep moving 295 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:19,880 back because of the military got closed 296 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:22,070 and close to where he was but he said 297 00:14:26,530 --> 00:14:23,930 for one he could tell when the hatch 298 00:14:30,790 --> 00:14:26,540 open he could see this very long almost 299 00:14:33,460 --> 00:14:30,800 elastic like arm that opened around the 300 00:14:35,590 --> 00:14:33,470 the opening there and he said as a 301 00:14:38,730 --> 00:14:35,600 matter of seconds when to closed here's 302 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:38,740 a metal-on-metal hitting and one of the 303 00:14:42,610 --> 00:14:41,210 military officer who was actually jumped 304 00:14:44,290 --> 00:14:42,620 on top of the object starts screaming 305 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:44,300 hurry up hurry up we don't have much 306 00:14:49,210 --> 00:14:47,090 time and that's when all these soldiers 307 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:49,220 came over and they started cleaning 308 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:51,290 debris around and when the great detail 309 00:14:56,650 --> 00:14:54,320 either uses metal strapping and how they 310 00:14:58,390 --> 00:14:56,660 had to winch it over to the truck 311 00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:58,400 because they couldn't take the truck 312 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:00,320 right down to the crash site and they 313 00:15:03,460 --> 00:15:01,970 had a small like a little crane down 314 00:15:05,980 --> 00:15:03,470 there they used a little under the 315 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:05,990 flatbed truck and and more than one 316 00:15:09,490 --> 00:15:08,000 person has confirmed the small crane 317 00:15:13,390 --> 00:15:09,500 being involved in the incident as well 318 00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:13,400 it's a very long very very detailed 319 00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:16,160 account about what we weren't with so 320 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:17,600 many different people I just gave you 321 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:19,970 the very short version of that one 322 00:15:24,970 --> 00:15:21,970 aspect of the case 323 00:15:28,530 --> 00:15:24,980 and I and I was surprised through to 324 00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:28,540 here today or or see on the this movie 325 00:15:34,660 --> 00:15:32,240 chestnuts orig that there there were an 326 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:34,670 unidentified agents I guess we would 327 00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:38,090 identify them as the men in black in 328 00:15:44,140 --> 00:15:41,360 today's terminology so there are quite a 329 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:44,150 number of aspects to this well we'll 330 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:46,580 have to do is show some evening just on 331 00:15:49,930 --> 00:15:48,530 the Kecksburg and bring everybody up to 332 00:15:52,060 --> 00:15:49,940 date on it because like you say there 333 00:15:55,150 --> 00:15:52,070 there really is still so much going on 334 00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:55,160 oh yeah it's an amazing amazing story 335 00:16:01,120 --> 00:15:58,730 and there is there's so much mystery and 336 00:16:03,550 --> 00:16:01,130 intrigue and the multitudes of people 337 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:03,560 I've interviewed even today are the 338 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:05,330 multitudes of people I've talked to most 339 00:16:09,970 --> 00:16:08,570 something I've never gone public some 340 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:09,980 quite a number have 341 00:16:13,390 --> 00:16:11,510 of many of those people of course you 342 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:13,400 have now passed away a lot of the 343 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:15,110 witnesses are now up in age and a lot of 344 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:16,490 them are not in very good health which 345 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:18,710 is unfortunate but I've documented all 346 00:16:23,380 --> 00:16:21,290 the information and it's it's just a 347 00:16:25,540 --> 00:16:23,390 fascinating story of whatever this thing 348 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:25,550 may have been that had to have been 349 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:28,130 frustrating though for you at 10 years 350 00:16:32,590 --> 00:16:30,050 old to have something like that 351 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:32,600 happening so close to you and not have 352 00:16:36,940 --> 00:16:34,310 the ability just to jump into your car 353 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:36,950 and drive over there did you did you 354 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:42,050 make your parents to take you I was 16 355 00:16:46,810 --> 00:16:43,850 when it happened if I remember I think 356 00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:46,820 my my mother had already passed away and 357 00:16:51,690 --> 00:16:48,560 I believe my father was out of town at 358 00:16:54,340 --> 00:16:51,700 that time and so it was the next day 359 00:16:56,380 --> 00:16:54,350 till we could find out and at that time 360 00:16:59,200 --> 00:16:56,390 there was so little information about it 361 00:17:01,510 --> 00:16:59,210 and so little detail that there's not 362 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:01,520 much we could do about it it was quite a 363 00:17:05,890 --> 00:17:04,250 while later as time went on that we were 364 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:05,900 able to get a pretty good idea where 365 00:17:10,449 --> 00:17:07,490 this thing may have actually fallen on 366 00:17:13,060 --> 00:17:10,459 private property and there was a lot 367 00:17:16,689 --> 00:17:13,070 involved back at that time and and 368 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:16,699 finally years later I was able to get 369 00:17:21,430 --> 00:17:18,530 dependently find witnesses who had been 370 00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:21,440 down to the site so I had independent 371 00:17:26,650 --> 00:17:23,750 witnesses who didn't know each other who 372 00:17:28,690 --> 00:17:26,660 took me down into those dense woods from 373 00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:28,700 different different locations took me 374 00:17:32,530 --> 00:17:30,950 down to the same exact place down in the 375 00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:32,540 woods which is what really was 376 00:17:35,950 --> 00:17:34,400 convincing when he has these people 377 00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,960 didn't know each other in this thickly 378 00:17:40,090 --> 00:17:38,000 wooded area and they all end up taking 379 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:40,100 me to the same location and there we 380 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:42,410 found this pattern of tree damage and 381 00:17:48,130 --> 00:17:44,570 trees knocked down top of trees broken 382 00:17:51,300 --> 00:17:48,140 out and it was very fascinating so 383 00:17:53,230 --> 00:17:51,310 there's still evidence even today that 384 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:53,240 fortunately it's pretty much gone 385 00:17:59,650 --> 00:17:56,690 because many of those trees now old 386 00:18:02,290 --> 00:17:59,660 trees a phone from storms so a lot of 387 00:18:03,790 --> 00:18:02,300 what we had back then unfortunately in 388 00:18:05,890 --> 00:18:03,800 recent years when I was down I could 389 00:18:07,660 --> 00:18:05,900 barely even recognize the site and you 390 00:18:13,810 --> 00:18:07,670 can't go on the property annual storm 391 00:18:16,270 --> 00:18:13,820 private property mmm arresting so what 392 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:16,280 about a Chestnut Ridge now we're going 393 00:18:23,530 --> 00:18:21,050 to have the the director of the film on 394 00:18:27,460 --> 00:18:23,540 later on this evening 395 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:27,470 and from looking at this documentary I 396 00:18:33,790 --> 00:18:29,930 mean it seems like that there is a 397 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:33,800 plethora of activity in this area now 398 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:35,810 has that always been the case I mean 399 00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:39,290 have you had the opportunity to look 400 00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:41,600 back on the history and and see whether 401 00:18:46,570 --> 00:18:44,720 or not this has happened you know like 402 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:46,580 hundreds of years ago or at least as 403 00:18:50,970 --> 00:18:47,930 long as people have been living in that 404 00:18:54,430 --> 00:18:50,980 area or is this something that has 405 00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:54,440 started to happen more recently no it's 406 00:18:59,950 --> 00:18:57,280 been going on for years and years and 407 00:19:04,150 --> 00:18:59,960 from my memory from whatever the call is 408 00:19:05,650 --> 00:19:04,160 the late 1960s I was about 1969 and of 409 00:19:07,540 --> 00:19:05,660 course that's when I set up my hotline 410 00:19:10,030 --> 00:19:07,550 for the public report UFO sighting it's 411 00:19:11,530 --> 00:19:10,040 been active ever since and I remember 412 00:19:14,590 --> 00:19:11,540 getting a call from a police department 413 00:19:17,620 --> 00:19:14,600 about a daylight sighting of two huge 414 00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:17,630 big cigar shaped objects at treetop 415 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:19,840 level I believe was around Newark 416 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:22,250 Pennsylvania and people pulling their 417 00:19:25,780 --> 00:19:23,510 cars off the roads will watch these 418 00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:25,790 objects and and I got involved and when 419 00:19:29,260 --> 00:19:27,350 I'm out there interviewing people I 420 00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:29,270 began to hear some of the locals tell me 421 00:19:34,930 --> 00:19:32,240 about not far down the road along this 422 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:34,940 area of the Chestnut Ridge about things 423 00:19:39,070 --> 00:19:36,890 they've been seen for years from and or 424 00:19:41,230 --> 00:19:39,080 everything even back in those days I was 425 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:41,240 saying about underground sounds I was 426 00:19:44,380 --> 00:19:43,010 hearing about I remember somebody talked 427 00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:44,390 about seeing like an opening on the side 428 00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:46,070 of the melt and somebody said they saw 429 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:48,350 back in the 60s and there were a lot of 430 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:50,330 UFO reports and other things going on 431 00:19:56,860 --> 00:19:53,330 when I was in high school I graduated in 432 00:19:58,300 --> 00:19:56,870 67 some of my friends who knew I was 433 00:20:00,400 --> 00:19:58,310 interested in these things they would 434 00:20:03,610 --> 00:20:00,410 come up to me and tell me about taking 435 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:03,620 their girlfriends out parking at one of 436 00:20:07,780 --> 00:20:05,930 the the cemeteries out in that area and 437 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:07,790 they would come with to me with a count 438 00:20:10,990 --> 00:20:09,170 of seeing it what they said was a 439 00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,000 gorilla that came out little was 440 00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,280 throwing rocks at their cars well that 441 00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:15,440 turned out to me historically one of the 442 00:20:19,450 --> 00:20:17,240 most active areas and still is in the 443 00:20:21,070 --> 00:20:19,460 country for Bigfoot activity all the 444 00:20:21,820 --> 00:20:21,080 time along the dairy side of the 445 00:20:27,010 --> 00:20:21,830 Chestnut Ridge 446 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:27,020 goes back I mean there's very old 447 00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:28,970 newspaper accounts talking about strange 448 00:20:33,340 --> 00:20:31,280 things up around there I know against is 449 00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:33,350 going back to lease of 1930s up in the 450 00:20:37,870 --> 00:20:36,230 Chestnut Ridge in that general area so 451 00:20:40,450 --> 00:20:37,880 Chestnut Ridge is about a hundred mile 452 00:20:42,730 --> 00:20:40,460 long mountain range that extends from 453 00:20:45,070 --> 00:20:42,740 Preston County West Virginia to 454 00:20:46,690 --> 00:20:45,080 Westmoreland where I'm at Fayette in 455 00:20:49,630 --> 00:20:46,700 Indiana County and Southwest 456 00:20:51,940 --> 00:20:49,640 Pennsylvania it has been for years and 457 00:20:56,169 --> 00:20:51,950 years and year Li and and recently is 458 00:20:59,080 --> 00:20:56,179 last year some very strange reports got 459 00:21:01,690 --> 00:20:59,090 all the time and these include UFO 460 00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:01,700 sightings what I call mini UFOs were 461 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:03,740 these objects are only a few inches to a 462 00:21:09,070 --> 00:21:05,690 foot in diameter they've approached 463 00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:09,080 people within feet the reports are they 464 00:21:13,210 --> 00:21:11,030 up there all kind of cryptid studies 465 00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:13,220 from Thunderbird sightings or Italian 466 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:17,120 birds Black Panthers many Bigfoot 467 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:19,730 sightings other weird phenomena mystery 468 00:21:24,940 --> 00:21:22,610 booms unexplained lights going up and 469 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:24,950 coming down over to rich just all kind 470 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:26,690 of weird things and it's a yearly 471 00:21:31,090 --> 00:21:29,360 phenomena and for years and years mighty 472 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:31,100 especially in the 70s when we had the 473 00:21:35,289 --> 00:21:33,650 biggest outbreak in history every 474 00:21:37,539 --> 00:21:35,299 quarter with Bigfoot in UFOs who went on 475 00:21:39,159 --> 00:21:37,549 for a month in this area and was covered 476 00:21:41,470 --> 00:21:39,169 widely on the news and that's when I had 477 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:41,480 my teams of research people scientists 478 00:21:46,150 --> 00:21:43,970 and engineers delegating cases and we're 479 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:46,160 responding the cases day and night so 480 00:21:49,539 --> 00:21:47,809 we're on the scene within minutes to 481 00:21:51,549 --> 00:21:49,549 hours documenting all these cases which 482 00:21:54,060 --> 00:21:51,559 was what I wrote about my solid invasion 483 00:21:56,620 --> 00:21:54,070 book and that's when we began to uncover 484 00:21:59,020 --> 00:21:56,630 some of the strangest incidents ever 485 00:22:01,120 --> 00:21:59,030 documented with UFOs and Bigfoot being 486 00:22:04,210 --> 00:22:01,130 seen together and it was something we 487 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:04,220 weren't know I'm looking for and since 488 00:22:09,789 --> 00:22:07,010 that time I've uncovered a lot of very 489 00:22:12,580 --> 00:22:09,799 strange aspects of not only Bigfoot but 490 00:22:16,419 --> 00:22:12,590 other cryptids as well and more and more 491 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:16,429 as reluctant as I am to say it it seems 492 00:22:19,780 --> 00:22:18,049 that we're dealing with something that 493 00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,790 might be interdimensional in nature 494 00:22:24,580 --> 00:22:21,440 which is why there's no body as any of 495 00:22:28,690 --> 00:22:24,590 these creatures well to me that makes 496 00:22:31,870 --> 00:22:28,700 that makes a lot more sense than the the 497 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:31,880 flesh flesh and blood type of creatures 498 00:22:36,130 --> 00:22:34,010 because you would think that if there 499 00:22:37,870 --> 00:22:36,140 are as many running around as there 500 00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:37,880 seems to be due to all the sightings 501 00:22:43,659 --> 00:22:42,350 that you know there'd be children going 502 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:43,669 to kill you know kindergarten being 503 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:45,530 snatched off the street quite often and 504 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:47,090 you know being devoured by these things 505 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:49,730 yet they seem to 506 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:52,310 run across the field and disappear into 507 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:54,110 the woods and then they're never seen 508 00:23:00,810 --> 00:22:57,890 again and I know from history that I 509 00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:00,820 mean they've been taken after with 510 00:23:06,910 --> 00:23:04,400 bloodhounds and helicopters during a 511 00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:06,920 some you know like really heavy 512 00:23:14,170 --> 00:23:10,400 activities yet they just seem to banish 513 00:23:17,610 --> 00:23:14,180 him in this so to speak we were finding 514 00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:17,620 back in this 73 in the 74 1 this massive 515 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:20,960 UFO and Bigfoot outbreak occurred and as 516 00:23:24,340 --> 00:23:23,090 reports are coming in got remember back 517 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:24,350 in those days there's no internet 518 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:26,510 there's no cell phones law the reports 519 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:27,650 was initially coming in to the police 520 00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:29,690 departments and being referred over to 521 00:23:33,970 --> 00:23:31,220 my groups to investigate 522 00:23:36,340 --> 00:23:33,980 so we're on the scene very quickly and 523 00:23:37,780 --> 00:23:36,350 and sorry I just am let me let me 524 00:23:40,450 --> 00:23:37,790 interrupt you here because we have to go 525 00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:40,460 to our break we'll be right back in just 526 00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:41,940 a few minutes 527 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:54,660 now back to exploring the bazaar with 528 00:24:00,540 --> 00:23:57,250 two of the most electrifying researchers 529 00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:00,550 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 530 00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:07,360 Lee panting Swift's and welcome back to 531 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:09,670 exploring the bizarre and I encourage 532 00:24:15,090 --> 00:24:12,910 our listeners to let our guests know if 533 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:15,100 you have any questions or comments about 534 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:17,110 anything that they're talking about 535 00:24:22,830 --> 00:24:19,210 tonight we want to hear from you however 536 00:24:24,810 --> 00:24:22,840 you want to get it to us we'll listen to 537 00:24:26,550 --> 00:24:24,820 you what we tell we love your concerts 538 00:24:31,230 --> 00:24:26,560 remember they could always jump in the 539 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:31,240 chat room faster keep a low profile you 540 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:38,050 want to hit your head there you know we 541 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:39,910 talked about it today 542 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:43,690 oh the these areas of paranormal 543 00:24:51,980 --> 00:24:47,650 interest window areas the zones of the 544 00:24:57,180 --> 00:24:51,990 unexplained you know it goes back to 545 00:25:01,080 --> 00:24:57,190 nineteen I think 65 when I first met 546 00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:01,090 John Akhil man he had just come back 547 00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:04,360 believe it or not from investigating of 548 00:25:12,510 --> 00:25:07,150 the Mothman sightings in Point Pleasant 549 00:25:14,850 --> 00:25:12,520 West Virginia my friend and longtime 550 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:14,860 buddy now deceased of course said Jim 551 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:20,170 Mosely used to have meetings twice a 552 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:23,770 month here in Manhattan he would rent a 553 00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:29,050 a hotel like lecture hall you know in 554 00:25:33,570 --> 00:25:30,790 those days you could get it for 25 or 30 555 00:25:35,610 --> 00:25:33,580 dollars around The Times Square area and 556 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:35,620 we would get a you know anywhere from 557 00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:38,530 fifty two to two or three hundred people 558 00:25:45,570 --> 00:25:41,710 if the guest was on long johns show the 559 00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:45,580 the night before and and John keel would 560 00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:47,950 would entertain us I guess that's the 561 00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:50,590 best the description with with stories 562 00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:52,660 of the the paranormal and all the weird 563 00:25:58,169 --> 00:25:55,870 things that was happening to him which 564 00:26:02,430 --> 00:25:58,179 included visits by mystery 565 00:26:06,299 --> 00:26:02,440 his agents and creepy incidents in his 566 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:06,309 apartment a couple of blocks from here 567 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:09,369 in Kips Bay and of course now he had 568 00:26:15,239 --> 00:26:12,490 gone down to West Virginia to 569 00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:15,249 investigate or to actually look into an 570 00:26:21,779 --> 00:26:19,809 a flying cat or a cat with the wings we 571 00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:21,789 actually have a photo of in the silla 572 00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:25,960 winged wonder a book that's coming out 573 00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:29,919 in a week or so and while he was down 574 00:26:34,649 --> 00:26:32,230 there the reports of the the Mothman I 575 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:34,659 came to his attention he and he has 576 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:36,970 started to investigate it but he also 577 00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,490 used to set up on a hill outside of 578 00:26:45,330 --> 00:26:41,919 Point Pleasant and and watched these 579 00:26:47,399 --> 00:26:45,340 strange objects in the sky and he tried 580 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:47,409 to tell us that there was a relationship 581 00:26:55,769 --> 00:26:51,610 between these mysterious objects and 582 00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:55,779 things that were going on at a ground uh 583 00:27:01,710 --> 00:26:57,480 you know level whether they be 584 00:27:06,060 --> 00:27:01,720 sightings of the creature or injured 585 00:27:08,639 --> 00:27:06,070 cold or are some other shadow beings and 586 00:27:10,889 --> 00:27:08,649 he tried to link him together and and of 587 00:27:14,430 --> 00:27:10,899 course not having it too much of a 588 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:14,440 background in such a paranormal activity 589 00:27:21,869 --> 00:27:18,570 at the time we kind of poo-pooed his 590 00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:21,879 sighting reports and thought perhaps he 591 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:26,559 was joking with us or trying to to 592 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:29,110 entertain us because certainly there was 593 00:27:34,049 --> 00:27:30,850 no way that there would be an 594 00:27:36,629 --> 00:27:34,059 interrelationship between all of these 595 00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:36,639 phenomena of course in the next couple 596 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:38,860 of years after that when I got out on 597 00:27:45,570 --> 00:27:41,529 the road myself I began to see that 598 00:27:48,539 --> 00:27:45,580 there was a core correlation I remember 599 00:27:50,249 --> 00:27:48,549 I went to the town of Athens Ohio and 600 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:50,259 there was a report that I was 601 00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:52,690 investigating of a object that had 602 00:27:58,499 --> 00:27:55,929 landed in a farmer's cornfield behind 603 00:27:59,940 --> 00:27:58,509 his house now when I say cornfield we're 604 00:28:03,330 --> 00:27:59,950 not talking about acres and acres of 605 00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,340 corn maybe an acre of corn if that but 606 00:28:07,710 --> 00:28:05,440 his grandson had supposedly seen this 607 00:28:09,869 --> 00:28:07,720 object back there you know in the in the 608 00:28:11,379 --> 00:28:09,879 cornfield and it had left an impression 609 00:28:15,489 --> 00:28:11,389 on the 610 00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,499 the spud well I wasn't gonna get myself 611 00:28:21,310 --> 00:28:17,840 well torn up going back you know how how 612 00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:21,320 corn stalks stalks are so I took him at 613 00:28:26,859 --> 00:28:24,799 his word but I canvassed the the 614 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:26,869 neighborhood very rural neighborhood and 615 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:30,710 knocked on people's doors and asked them 616 00:28:34,930 --> 00:28:32,809 if they had had you know a UFO sighting 617 00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:34,940 or had seen anything strange that night 618 00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:37,460 and there were people that reported to 619 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:39,529 me that they had seen mysterious objects 620 00:28:44,499 --> 00:28:42,769 in the the sky but they also started 621 00:28:48,609 --> 00:28:44,509 telling me about other word events that 622 00:28:51,099 --> 00:28:48,619 we're going on in their life including 623 00:28:54,639 --> 00:28:51,109 the the sighting in the in the same 624 00:28:57,340 --> 00:28:54,649 vicinity of a Bigfoot or some sort of 625 00:29:02,889 --> 00:28:57,350 cryptid creature just around the same 626 00:29:05,979 --> 00:29:02,899 time as the UFOs were skipping around in 627 00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:05,989 the in the sky overhead so after hearing 628 00:29:13,090 --> 00:29:09,440 four or five of these reports that there 629 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:13,100 was a connection between the two their 630 00:29:18,849 --> 00:29:15,529 subjects I began to realize what we must 631 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:18,859 be dealing with something here that it 632 00:29:25,989 --> 00:29:22,609 is not flesh and blood in the in the 633 00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:25,999 sense that we think of it that UFOs may 634 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:28,129 not just be from Mars and Venus but they 635 00:29:32,979 --> 00:29:30,769 could be from a parallel dimension or 636 00:29:36,820 --> 00:29:32,989 they could be from another time-space 637 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:36,830 continuum and the the Bigfoot and other 638 00:29:42,489 --> 00:29:39,289 cryptid creatures march along right with 639 00:29:48,099 --> 00:29:42,499 them from a one's own through the other 640 00:29:51,070 --> 00:29:48,109 now a pawpaw you know who is the host 641 00:29:52,299 --> 00:29:51,080 along with his son Ben of behind the 642 00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,309 paranormal 643 00:29:57,580 --> 00:29:54,799 got caught up in a recent series of 644 00:30:00,849 --> 00:29:57,590 events in pennsylvania apparently not 645 00:30:03,999 --> 00:30:00,859 too far from this Chestnut Ridge area 646 00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:04,009 that Stan was just talking about before 647 00:30:11,109 --> 00:30:07,279 the the break and this all also includes 648 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:11,119 the sighting of UFOs of the sky and 649 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:13,970 mysterious creatures on the ground and 650 00:30:21,009 --> 00:30:17,330 perhaps some even as shadowy agents 651 00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:21,019 keeping track of the activity in the the 652 00:30:24,790 --> 00:30:24,169 area so a pole what why don't we go back 653 00:30:27,670 --> 00:30:24,800 to with 654 00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:27,680 all started as far as the the sightings 655 00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,080 in Pennsylvania what area are we talking 656 00:30:35,730 --> 00:30:32,960 about and how did you get involved in in 657 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:35,740 this window area 658 00:30:42,490 --> 00:30:40,010 well actually it's it's surrounding the 659 00:30:45,670 --> 00:30:42,500 city of Dubois that area down as far as 660 00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:45,680 Reynoldsville and that vicinity in sort 661 00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,500 of west central Pennsylvania a little 662 00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:50,960 bit to the south maybe 200 or so odd 663 00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:53,900 miles from Pittsburgh and William Jay 664 00:30:58,690 --> 00:30:56,150 Hall whom I believe he's been on your 665 00:31:02,590 --> 00:30:58,700 show beat me to it in writing a book 666 00:31:04,090 --> 00:31:02,600 about our Connecticut Lydia yes he has 667 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:04,100 he has been on the show and we have to 668 00:31:07,210 --> 00:31:04,970 have him back on again 669 00:31:09,550 --> 00:31:07,220 right yeah he's coming out with another 670 00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:09,560 book he writes them faster than I do so 671 00:31:15,610 --> 00:31:13,040 that he the woman from this this 672 00:31:17,050 --> 00:31:15,620 facility have read that book and said my 673 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:17,060 gosh this is the same kind of stuff we 674 00:31:23,170 --> 00:31:18,770 have going on here 675 00:31:25,420 --> 00:31:23,180 Bigfoot UFOs military activity ghosts 676 00:31:28,030 --> 00:31:25,430 but you name it you know what the things 677 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:28,040 that don't even have names yet there 678 00:31:36,130 --> 00:31:32,290 were horses being her galloping down the 679 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:36,140 hallways of their home Ben and I took up 680 00:31:41,230 --> 00:31:38,210 this case it was he was 13 years old it 681 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:41,240 was one of his first cases and it was in 682 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:44,090 five and the first thing usually things 683 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:46,250 take a while to get used to you but the 684 00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:47,930 first thing that happened to me a horse 685 00:31:53,170 --> 00:31:50,780 went galloping by in the driveway it's a 686 00:31:55,510 --> 00:31:53,180 rural area but still you could you could 687 00:31:56,890 --> 00:31:55,520 feel the breeze from it the leaves were 688 00:31:59,380 --> 00:31:56,900 moving on the trees close to the ground 689 00:32:01,930 --> 00:31:59,390 it was quite striking and so that's how 690 00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:01,940 that began and the hill or to book about 691 00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:03,590 this and the woman in Pennsylvania read 692 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:06,110 this and said this is similar to what we 693 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:08,770 saw ever happening here so in May of 16 694 00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:12,410 we I went out there with Shane Cyr way I 695 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:14,900 don't know Shane's been on your show if 696 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:16,010 he hasn't he should be 697 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:19,010 Shane is one of the fans yes he okay so 698 00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,170 you know the clinic alibi that's all 699 00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:22,640 yeah Shane is one of the few 700 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:25,310 investigators we will work with first I 701 00:32:28,660 --> 00:32:27,050 first met him we've been working 702 00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:28,670 together for almost 20 years 703 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:30,950 met in the case in Rhode Island and I 704 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:34,250 was astounded that he had the same goofy 705 00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,890 theories that I have and that Ben and I 706 00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:38,460 have about the 707 00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:41,190 in this case a ghost situation which is 708 00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:42,600 that you're dealing not so much with 709 00:32:50,419 --> 00:32:45,720 death as with parallel worlds okay and 710 00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:50,429 take it from there so we went out there 711 00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:53,519 and we we had a number of things that 712 00:32:59,840 --> 00:32:57,480 occurred within three days of our 713 00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,850 arrival and we had we talked with the 714 00:33:03,859 --> 00:33:02,399 family and got the whole story and then 715 00:33:05,629 --> 00:33:03,869 they introduced us to a number of 716 00:33:06,739 --> 00:33:05,639 neighbors to whom things had happened 717 00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:06,749 and of course this is the thing it's 718 00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:09,179 never just in our opinion located in one 719 00:33:12,980 --> 00:33:11,220 piece of property or one family or one 720 00:33:16,220 --> 00:33:12,990 house but the more you look the more 721 00:33:17,899 --> 00:33:16,230 you're going to find as you did Tim and 722 00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:17,909 knocking on doors I'm asking people and 723 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:19,019 I don't know if I'd have that kind of 724 00:33:24,619 --> 00:33:21,210 gall I'd kind of wait to be introduced 725 00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:24,629 but I guess you got it done so we had a 726 00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:28,289 first meeting there with upwards of 20 727 00:33:35,899 --> 00:33:31,799 families who came to to the neighborhood 728 00:33:38,539 --> 00:33:35,909 meeting and every single family they had 729 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:38,549 been sightings of Bigfoot and UFOs 730 00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,450 sometimes in relatively close proximity 731 00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:44,399 we staked out the area and Shane and I 732 00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:46,110 slept in different places on the 733 00:33:52,190 --> 00:33:49,320 property for several nights and Shane 734 00:33:55,369 --> 00:33:52,200 himself encountered in broad daylight 735 00:33:58,539 --> 00:33:55,379 although it was a rainy rainy day he was 736 00:34:01,460 --> 00:33:58,549 sitting in his truck down in a clearing 737 00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:01,470 below the main part of a property where 738 00:34:05,539 --> 00:34:03,809 we began this investigation and he 739 00:34:07,129 --> 00:34:05,549 looked up between maybe he told you this 740 00:34:09,010 --> 00:34:07,139 on the air but he looked up and there 741 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:09,020 between two trees was a large hairy 742 00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:11,250 something that he assumed was a bear 743 00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:13,740 because there are bears around and he 744 00:34:17,419 --> 00:34:15,659 started up toward it in this truck and 745 00:34:18,379 --> 00:34:17,429 the thing took off - there were two it's 746 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:18,389 it's right 747 00:34:23,809 --> 00:34:21,450 Shane's left with huge arms moving up 748 00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:23,819 and down and moving on two legs and in 749 00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:26,190 the process the creature flushed - three 750 00:34:32,659 --> 00:34:30,000 deer but when bounding off and that was 751 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:32,669 the the first major sighting of our 752 00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:35,010 party again within a few days of 753 00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:38,040 arriving there we also interviewed a 754 00:34:44,659 --> 00:34:41,460 number of families in their homes one of 755 00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:44,669 whom had shadow people problems and had 756 00:34:49,069 --> 00:34:46,859 lights strange lights appearing over 757 00:34:51,799 --> 00:34:49,079 their house almost every night which we 758 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:51,809 saw on several occasions almost like the 759 00:34:55,650 --> 00:34:52,330 glowing 760 00:34:58,290 --> 00:34:55,660 orb type things light balls as as Ted 761 00:35:01,680 --> 00:34:58,300 Phillips would describe them Ted for 762 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:01,690 Suri and then on the another trip in 763 00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:05,290 September of that year I was we had got 764 00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:07,300 a number photographs of strange things 765 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:08,080 kind of in the sky 766 00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:10,690 I'll gathered all sorts of stories of 767 00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:15,480 low-flying c-130s a dropping odd 768 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:18,550 filament like things over the area this 769 00:35:24,030 --> 00:35:19,930 is what I think Stan would be interested 770 00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:24,040 in this and we were so I station myself 771 00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:28,750 up in the a lot the field above this the 772 00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:32,320 main house with a with my truck and I 773 00:35:36,030 --> 00:35:33,880 was by myself Shane was in another part 774 00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:36,040 of the property and I had the the 775 00:35:40,770 --> 00:35:38,860 passenger window up because it was a 776 00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:40,780 little chilly very very brilliant 777 00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:42,430 moonlit night if you have good memories 778 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:44,920 you remember September 16 2016 it was a 779 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:46,690 brilliant moonlit night light in the 780 00:35:52,350 --> 00:35:49,810 Northeast a night I should say and but 781 00:35:53,730 --> 00:35:52,360 kind of chilly so I I have my camera set 782 00:35:56,970 --> 00:35:53,740 off I'm looking for strange lights in 783 00:35:58,740 --> 00:35:56,980 the sky now after going on 50 years of 784 00:36:01,290 --> 00:35:58,750 dealing with the paranormal I should 785 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:01,300 know that the things never happened the 786 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:03,490 way you expect them to or when you 787 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:06,130 expect them to so sure enough I'm kind 788 00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,810 of looking on to my left and and on my 789 00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:10,240 right something catches my eye and then 790 00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:12,100 this brilliant moonlight there there is 791 00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:17,040 a huge brown furred two-legged creature 792 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:21,640 walking up about 200 feet to my reckons 793 00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:22,930 we measured it off the next day we found 794 00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:25,720 a path where something large and with 795 00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:26,940 two legs had gone through the field 796 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:30,070 coming up to toward the center of the 797 00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:31,690 field with its head bowed as if looking 798 00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:35,440 for something so I I stabbed a picture 799 00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:36,700 with the infrared camera through the 800 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:38,110 cold window obviously there's no 801 00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:39,850 signature and then I try and get out of 802 00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:40,480 the truck 803 00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:44,980 and then of all things my wife calls now 804 00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:46,390 I Paul why didn't you shut off the cell 805 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:47,710 phone was gonna call me in the middle of 806 00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:50,170 a field in in the middle of the night 807 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:53,470 you know in Pennsylvania so my ringtone 808 00:36:57,090 --> 00:36:55,510 the theme from Lord of the Rings goes 809 00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:57,100 blasting out over this channel so 810 00:37:02,700 --> 00:36:59,050 naturally whatever this was was was gone 811 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:02,710 so all of a sudden maybe a minute or two 812 00:37:05,970 --> 00:37:03,850 later I see lights 813 00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:05,980 up in a tree on the other 814 00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:08,140 side of this field perhaps about the 815 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:11,470 same distance way maybe 200 250 C and 816 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:13,690 they didn't look weird or or UFO like 817 00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:14,770 they would look like somebody had a 818 00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:17,680 spotlight so I didn't want to drive over 819 00:37:20,190 --> 00:37:18,400 there I didn't know if there were any 820 00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:20,200 yawning chasms that would swallow my 821 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:22,420 truck so at the neighborhood meeting 822 00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:24,130 then that well well the next morning 823 00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:25,720 Shane and I went out there we measured 824 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:27,640 everything off and Shane is 6 feet high 825 00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:29,650 in the stocking feet and this thing was 826 00:37:34,590 --> 00:37:32,590 about 2 foot to half to 2 feet taller 827 00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:34,600 than he was so meanwhile the 828 00:37:37,890 --> 00:37:36,160 neighborhood meeting that evening I was 829 00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:37,900 telling this story in the hand went up 830 00:37:41,609 --> 00:37:40,180 and it was a woman named Melissa who 831 00:37:43,590 --> 00:37:41,619 lived on the other side of the field in 832 00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:43,600 another house and she said oh those 833 00:37:47,849 --> 00:37:45,190 lights that that was me 834 00:37:50,070 --> 00:37:47,859 my son and I came home and we heard 835 00:37:53,310 --> 00:37:50,080 something big moving through that field 836 00:37:54,780 --> 00:37:53,320 at the same time I was seeing it they 837 00:37:56,250 --> 00:37:54,790 went up into the field to try and see 838 00:37:59,160 --> 00:37:56,260 what it was but of course it was gone 839 00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,170 and because they're not afraid they're 840 00:38:04,260 --> 00:38:01,119 so used to this stuff they're not afraid 841 00:38:05,790 --> 00:38:04,270 of these things so it's funny that I we 842 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:05,800 always ask people what did you feel 843 00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:07,510 during this experience because you know 844 00:38:11,099 --> 00:38:09,640 I'm not saying it was Bigfoot but I 845 00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:11,109 can't imagine anything else that would 846 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:14,950 have been that with that size so people 847 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:16,810 will say well sometimes I was terrified 848 00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,850 there was a little girl the lab there on 849 00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:20,320 our second neighborhood meeting who was 850 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:22,780 so terrified to tell us about her 851 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:24,010 Bigfoot experience because there were 852 00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:25,810 these two weird guys from the wing one 853 00:38:29,099 --> 00:38:28,390 so holy but we hope next time we go to 854 00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,109 talk to her 855 00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:31,119 a very scary experience but I felt 856 00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:36,150 privileged and I felt honored and very 857 00:38:42,990 --> 00:38:38,950 it was a very very special and almost 858 00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:43,000 spiritual experience so that's all I can 859 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:45,190 tell you this stuff has been going on in 860 00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:49,570 Pennsylvania for many many years the 861 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:51,070 site itself is very interesting 862 00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:52,450 archaeologically University of 863 00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:53,740 Pennsylvania researchers have been up 864 00:38:59,640 --> 00:38:56,320 there there appears to a there's some 865 00:39:02,580 --> 00:38:59,650 theory that there was a meteor impact in 866 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:02,590 the round about the the the end of the 867 00:39:07,710 --> 00:39:06,220 14th out is beginning the 1500s I nobody 868 00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:07,720 told me this when I was up on a hill 869 00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:09,430 that is full of iron because I have a 870 00:39:14,130 --> 00:39:11,710 metal allergy and I really you know I 871 00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:14,140 had to go to bed for two hours so 872 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:16,270 there's there's all this sorts of stuff 873 00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:18,130 now what are the things and Stan may be 874 00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:20,020 interested in this because 875 00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:22,750 this has been coming up for maybe about 876 00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:27,220 the past year the area from this area 877 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:30,180 down the ridge down down all the way to 878 00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:32,290 Pittsburgh and all the way down the Ohio 879 00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:37,480 Valley to Eastern Kentucky the Panther 880 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:39,430 Ridge areas where where we were rolling 881 00:39:42,830 --> 00:39:41,110 just getting started investigating that 882 00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:42,840 that situation a lot of Bigfoot there 883 00:39:51,630 --> 00:39:46,750 you have in that whole line of what is 884 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:51,640 known as rather interesting instances of 885 00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,530 the Bujji air anomaly BLUG uer and that 886 00:39:59,730 --> 00:39:58,480 is a gravitational anomaly there and I'm 887 00:40:02,160 --> 00:39:59,740 gonna say it's nothing to do with it but 888 00:40:03,870 --> 00:40:02,170 it's just it's intriguing it's very 889 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:03,880 often present in river valleys 890 00:40:06,330 --> 00:40:05,050 particularly they were higher and all 891 00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:06,340 the way down through the area when you 892 00:40:10,770 --> 00:40:08,680 have the things we're discussing all the 893 00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:10,780 way down through the Mothman country of 894 00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:13,750 West Virginia and Ohio all the way down 895 00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:17,080 through Eastern Kentucky and you've got 896 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:20,230 this Buju anomaly now what it is is it 897 00:40:25,650 --> 00:40:22,810 essentially makes gravity lighter as you 898 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:25,660 walk downhill into a valid this was 899 00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:28,170 discovered when people were researching 900 00:40:34,170 --> 00:40:31,660 areas for oil and gas deposits and you 901 00:40:36,090 --> 00:40:34,180 look for certain minerals and it 902 00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:36,100 apparently has an effect on gravity that 903 00:40:39,530 --> 00:40:37,750 makes it lighter we should go towards 904 00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:39,540 farther toward the center of the earth 905 00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:42,640 whereas usually that's not the case now 906 00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:44,830 again it's it's very it's measurable but 907 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:46,270 it's it's not something you would feel 908 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:48,970 as you as you do walk down the hills but 909 00:40:54,330 --> 00:40:51,610 nevertheless it is intriguing what did 910 00:40:57,660 --> 00:40:54,340 Einstein say about gravity it can bend 911 00:40:59,580 --> 00:40:57,670 space and time possibly this this may be 912 00:41:01,740 --> 00:40:59,590 one clue that we what we want to pursue 913 00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:01,750 further in investigating why this is 914 00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:03,880 present these flat berries in our 915 00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,040 Connecticut case where is the is the 916 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:08,800 strongest luger anomaly in Connecticut 917 00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:11,170 and it's right there Litchfield Goshen 918 00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,540 Torrington right in the in the center of 919 00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:15,520 what we refer to as a little triangle 920 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:16,840 where these weird things are going on 921 00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:19,650 and you've got Bigfoot weird lights 922 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:22,420 military activity why because maybe 923 00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:24,700 they'd love to militarize the paranormal 924 00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:26,080 wouldn't they like to know where Bigfoot 925 00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:29,620 goes to and comes from and one question 926 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:33,040 i'm sure that stan has embraced this 927 00:41:37,690 --> 00:41:33,890 question as well 928 00:41:39,820 --> 00:41:37,700 or wondered about it certainly in an 929 00:41:41,410 --> 00:41:39,830 area like western Pennsylvania or or the 930 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:41,420 areas of that we've been researching as 931 00:41:46,210 --> 00:41:43,730 far as this case is concerned its farm 932 00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:46,220 country there are no huge wilderness 933 00:41:53,170 --> 00:41:50,510 areas you've got woods of maybe 10 15 20 934 00:41:55,630 --> 00:41:53,180 acres there is no place for a population 935 00:41:58,090 --> 00:41:55,640 and a breeding population I've been told 936 00:42:00,880 --> 00:41:58,100 you'd expect to be about 500 individuals 937 00:42:03,010 --> 00:42:00,890 over a certain area of square miles you 938 00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:03,020 know and you don't have that in this 939 00:42:09,010 --> 00:42:07,070 area even at farms towns and small and 940 00:42:11,350 --> 00:42:09,020 relatively small wood Lots where does 941 00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,360 Bigfoot come from and go never mind the 942 00:42:15,610 --> 00:42:13,760 light so they were associated with go 943 00:42:18,010 --> 00:42:15,620 see I apparently they can be anywhere if 944 00:42:20,530 --> 00:42:18,020 you want to call them those so these are 945 00:42:23,860 --> 00:42:20,540 all questions that we've encountered but 946 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:23,870 I'm intrigued by the parallels that seem 947 00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:25,970 to be taking place and our work in and 948 00:42:30,820 --> 00:42:28,670 Stan's as well oh it's not just Bigfoot 949 00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:30,830 though I mean as Stan pointed out 950 00:42:35,710 --> 00:42:33,110 there's been sightings of you know like 951 00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:35,720 the Thunder Byrne Thunder both short or 952 00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:37,790 pterodactyl like creatures yeah you know 953 00:42:40,690 --> 00:42:38,990 that that's something you wouldn't 954 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:40,700 expect you know to be walking through 955 00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:42,530 the woods and find also population 956 00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,160 indeed also up up right canine cryptids 957 00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:48,800 as Linda Godfrey calls them rather aptly 958 00:42:54,610 --> 00:42:50,870 nobody you know nobody dares saying 959 00:42:56,890 --> 00:42:54,620 we're wolf you know and then dog man is 960 00:42:59,170 --> 00:42:56,900 our friend oh really 961 00:43:01,450 --> 00:42:59,180 is that right we're gonna talk to you 962 00:43:03,730 --> 00:43:01,460 because we need to talk to him but that 963 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:03,740 they've been breaks and that sort of 964 00:43:07,690 --> 00:43:05,330 thing in Pennsylvania as well so and 965 00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:07,700 again things things that you never could 966 00:43:10,990 --> 00:43:09,110 make up now I haven't encountered these 967 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:11,000 yet but in the Connecticut case they 968 00:43:17,650 --> 00:43:14,810 have sort of these boxy entities kind of 969 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:17,660 bouncing by people's windows we have a 970 00:43:22,030 --> 00:43:19,850 photograph taken by a security camera in 971 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:22,040 an area of the Litchfield County 972 00:43:28,690 --> 00:43:25,610 Connecticut where all sorts of outbreaks 973 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:28,700 of I should say break-ins were occurring 974 00:43:32,290 --> 00:43:30,890 and nothing was stolen and people put a 975 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:32,300 security camera in their house when they 976 00:43:39,070 --> 00:43:34,010 were at home they got a picture of this 977 00:43:41,950 --> 00:43:39,080 very very strange human-sized dare I say 978 00:43:44,140 --> 00:43:41,960 reptilian creature or lizard-like 979 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:44,150 creature standing at their sink you can 980 00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:46,130 it's very detailed you can see the I 981 00:43:48,370 --> 00:43:47,300 mean 982 00:43:51,070 --> 00:43:48,380 these are things that don't even have 983 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:51,080 names yet so and they're all present in 984 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:53,090 these areas of the movie or anomaly if 985 00:43:57,310 --> 00:43:54,530 they if that does everything to do with 986 00:44:00,820 --> 00:43:57,320 it and all sorts of other flap areas 987 00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:00,830 that we have described as we carried on 988 00:44:05,350 --> 00:44:02,900 our discussion well you know that was 989 00:44:08,740 --> 00:44:05,360 one of the things that John keel pointed 990 00:44:11,050 --> 00:44:08,750 out in several of his books that a lot 991 00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:11,060 of this activity seems to center around 992 00:44:15,550 --> 00:44:13,310 areas across the country and across the 993 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:15,560 world I suppose if you took the time to 994 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:17,930 look at it over areas that have you know 995 00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:22,010 magnetic anomalies sure yeah and the 996 00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:24,380 rivers as well because unless water is 997 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:26,180 distilled it will conduct electricity 998 00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:28,610 and and looked at magnetic fields and 999 00:44:33,970 --> 00:44:30,470 this sort of things these are all 1000 00:44:36,070 --> 00:44:33,980 speculation but I think a lot of people 1001 00:44:39,730 --> 00:44:36,080 are interested in this and they were 1002 00:44:41,170 --> 00:44:39,740 also there also and we haven't had a 1003 00:44:43,410 --> 00:44:41,180 chance to get into this in Pennsylvania 1004 00:44:47,980 --> 00:44:43,420 but in the Connecticut case you have the 1005 00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:47,990 glaring instances of public changes in 1006 00:44:53,350 --> 00:44:51,800 behavior hmm and you know and so we've 1007 00:44:54,610 --> 00:44:53,360 been researching this on top of Mohawk 1008 00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:54,620 Mountain and Connecticut this is an 1009 00:45:00,250 --> 00:44:58,190 ordinary cell tower and also a tower 1010 00:45:02,410 --> 00:45:00,260 with equipment such as I've never seen 1011 00:45:05,590 --> 00:45:02,420 now my military experience is you know 1012 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:05,600 35 and 40 years old nevertheless I have 1013 00:45:09,340 --> 00:45:06,890 tried to keep up with it and I've never 1014 00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:09,350 seen stuff like this and there are all 1015 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:10,760 kinds of weird things happening in the 1016 00:45:14,740 --> 00:45:13,130 population in 2009-2010 when the 1017 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:14,750 military was running around at there so 1018 00:45:18,670 --> 00:45:16,250 I think we're only at the tip of the 1019 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:18,680 iceberg well and that's been that's been 1020 00:45:23,710 --> 00:45:21,290 the contention of some investigators is 1021 00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:23,720 that there is an interest by the 1022 00:45:29,740 --> 00:45:28,400 military on paranormal activity and and 1023 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:29,750 you wouldn't think that would be the 1024 00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:33,170 case well you know we Yvette we even had 1025 00:45:37,090 --> 00:45:35,540 that Joshua Warren who was the one of 1026 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:37,100 the chief investigators on the Brown 1027 00:45:43,570 --> 00:45:40,250 Mountain lights up there and in North 1028 00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:43,580 Carolina apparently has tied it in with 1029 00:45:53,020 --> 00:45:49,310 a military activity where a huge I don't 1030 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:53,030 know numbers of troops would show show 1031 00:46:00,140 --> 00:45:57,530 up blockade themselves in a certain area 1032 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:00,150 and 1033 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:03,770 not allowing a tourist or locals to 1034 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:06,210 trespass and have all their food 1035 00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:09,810 delivered and not allowed to leave these 1036 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:12,510 little settlements what are they doing 1037 00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:15,290 up in the mountains therein in North 1038 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:17,910 Carolina of course there does seem to be 1039 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:20,850 some sort of energy there in the in the 1040 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:22,770 ground I mean I don't know if that's 1041 00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:25,010 responsible for the the lights 1042 00:46:31,460 --> 00:46:28,200 themselves but there does seem to be 1043 00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:31,470 some sort of a weird phenomena that goes 1044 00:46:38,330 --> 00:46:35,640 back again hundreds of years yeah that 1045 00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:38,340 that's true but again what would they be 1046 00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,380 keeping secret it's not just UFOs it's 1047 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:42,960 Bigfoot in many areas of the paranormal 1048 00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:44,010 I don't know if this has happened to you 1049 00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,110 but we wouldn't think that we were on 1050 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:48,480 doing the Rendlesham series we did on 1051 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:51,810 CBS and on our own stations in Rhode 1052 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:54,330 Island it's just where I should say we 1053 00:46:57,290 --> 00:46:55,890 had to go to an internet station cuz CB 1054 00:46:59,900 --> 00:46:57,300 s corporate wouldn't let us continue 1055 00:47:03,080 --> 00:46:59,910 because of all the weird interference 1056 00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,090 laughing in a brand new spankin studio 1057 00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:05,280 you know that we could it was just 1058 00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:08,220 bizarre so least I don't know that could 1059 00:47:13,220 --> 00:47:10,380 be diversionary as well who knows I'm 1060 00:47:14,660 --> 00:47:13,230 almost like a paranormal activity well 1061 00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:14,670 that's it but I mean these things can be 1062 00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:16,110 strategic as well and there are all 1063 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:18,420 sorts of questions about this and things 1064 00:47:22,610 --> 00:47:19,770 are never what they appear to be in the 1065 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:22,620 paranormal I find I find the iteration 1066 00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:24,890 you said you know like interference and 1067 00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:28,920 laughing yeah I mean how many cases have 1068 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:30,390 you run across you know where people 1069 00:47:33,620 --> 00:47:31,650 been talking on the phone in a haunted 1070 00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:33,630 house and be interrupted with voices and 1071 00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:36,300 you know spectral laughing and stuff 1072 00:47:40,610 --> 00:47:39,030 well and we've got our own spectral 1073 00:47:43,610 --> 00:47:40,620 voice getting ready to come up here and 1074 00:47:45,170 --> 00:47:43,620 just a few seconds so we are going to 1075 00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:45,180 our top of the hour break and we come 1076 00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:47,220 back we will continue our conversation 1077 00:47:51,890 --> 00:47:49,560 with Stan Gordon and Paul Eno on 1078 00:48:04,770 --> 00:47:51,900 exploring the bizarre so stay tuned for 1079 00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:09,070 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 1080 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:11,740 ride into the world of the paranoid 1081 00:48:19,350 --> 00:48:15,050 strap yourself in as we traverse the 1082 00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:19,360 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 1083 00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:23,780 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters 1084 00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:27,950 as well as other dimensions it's time to 1085 00:48:34,690 --> 00:48:32,420 take back the night now your 1086 00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:34,700 electrifying hosts of exploring the 1087 00:48:47,290 --> 00:48:44,530 alright welcome back to the second hour 1088 00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:47,300 of exploring the bizarre and we're 1089 00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:49,790 talking with Stan Gordon and Paul II 1090 00:48:54,690 --> 00:48:52,790 know tonight about all the weird 1091 00:48:56,860 --> 00:48:54,700 activities that are taking place in 1092 00:48:59,620 --> 00:48:56,870 Pennsylvania and not just Pennsylvania 1093 00:49:01,810 --> 00:48:59,630 but you know other locations there in 1094 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:01,820 the east eastern part of the United 1095 00:49:08,650 --> 00:49:04,850 States Connecticut you know places like 1096 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:08,660 that but Stan I wanted to ask you I just 1097 00:49:16,690 --> 00:49:11,570 recently saw a really interesting a 1098 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:16,700 story that you posted about the police 1099 00:49:21,690 --> 00:49:18,890 officer they're addressed Westmoreland 1100 00:49:26,890 --> 00:49:21,700 County Pennsylvania they're in August 1101 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:26,900 2017 and I just I I always find it 1102 00:49:34,030 --> 00:49:29,690 fascinating the the accounts that you're 1103 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:34,040 able to find that that come from the 1104 00:49:37,830 --> 00:49:36,050 police you want to tell us a little bit 1105 00:49:40,270 --> 00:49:37,840 about the story that I'm talking about 1106 00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:40,280 yeah I will and you know as Paul 1107 00:49:44,110 --> 00:49:42,710 mentioned some of the cryptid reports 1108 00:49:46,210 --> 00:49:44,120 I'm receiving the last few years or 1109 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:46,220 things that we don't even have a name 1110 00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:48,290 for because they're so strange and 1111 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:51,230 unusual and that's the kind of things 1112 00:49:54,430 --> 00:49:52,490 that are going on in and I wanted to 1113 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:54,440 mention also from what Paul was talking 1114 00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:57,050 you know it just shows if you take the 1115 00:50:01,330 --> 00:49:58,970 time to go out there and do really 1116 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:01,340 detailed investigation Paul and I are 1117 00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:03,170 coming across basically the same things 1118 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:05,270 I mean I started writing about this back 1119 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:08,090 in the 70s about all the interaction 1120 00:50:12,430 --> 00:50:10,370 between the paranormal strange lights 1121 00:50:14,740 --> 00:50:12,440 Bigfoot other cryptid it's been going on 1122 00:50:16,210 --> 00:50:14,750 for years and years it's going on all 1123 00:50:17,590 --> 00:50:16,220 over the country and around the world 1124 00:50:18,370 --> 00:50:17,600 I've been in touch with many researchers 1125 00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:18,380 for years 1126 00:50:22,689 --> 00:50:20,900 in many places and many people in the 1127 00:50:24,969 --> 00:50:22,699 UFO field of course Donald don't want to 1128 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:24,979 associate UFOs on Bigfoot and many in 1129 00:50:29,709 --> 00:50:26,690 the Bigfoot field of course do not want 1130 00:50:31,390 --> 00:50:29,719 to associate Bigfoot with UFOs but it's 1131 00:50:34,299 --> 00:50:31,400 a phenomena which we just don't have the 1132 00:50:36,459 --> 00:50:34,309 answers for and I noticed in more recent 1133 00:50:38,109 --> 00:50:36,469 years more and more people in the 1134 00:50:40,569 --> 00:50:38,119 Bigfoot field are beginning to question 1135 00:50:41,949 --> 00:50:40,579 what's going on out there and a 1136 00:50:44,019 --> 00:50:41,959 beginning ask the same question indeed 1137 00:50:45,969 --> 00:50:44,029 years ago why don't we have any bodies 1138 00:50:48,099 --> 00:50:45,979 and one of these strange lights showing 1139 00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:48,109 up car millionaires was a lot of history 1140 00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,630 a Bigfoot but going back to the officers 1141 00:50:55,509 --> 00:50:52,400 report yeah it was very interesting case 1142 00:50:58,059 --> 00:50:55,519 this occurred in late August of last 1143 00:51:00,009 --> 00:50:58,069 year as a police officer if very 1144 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:00,019 experienced officer was on patrol in an 1145 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:03,650 area that he patrols all the time and he 1146 00:51:08,949 --> 00:51:05,690 had contacted me a short time after he 1147 00:51:12,579 --> 00:51:08,959 had this encounter and he's riding down 1148 00:51:15,130 --> 00:51:12,589 this back road he notices his bulb ball 1149 00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:15,140 of light that appears to be on the 1150 00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,609 ground that he's thinking well I don't 1151 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:18,079 know of any artificial lighting around 1152 00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:19,249 here that's unusual he stopped his 1153 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:22,400 vehicle he's watching and suddenly this 1154 00:51:28,689 --> 00:51:25,609 light this round light suddenly rises up 1155 00:51:30,729 --> 00:51:28,699 or stands up from the ground and he said 1156 00:51:32,709 --> 00:51:30,739 what he observed was the weirdest thing 1157 00:51:34,209 --> 00:51:32,719 you'd ever seen yet he was having a very 1158 00:51:36,910 --> 00:51:34,219 hard time trying to figure out what this 1159 00:51:39,729 --> 00:51:36,920 thing was and he said the ball of light 1160 00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:39,739 was actually the head of a very strange 1161 00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:42,049 being the look could be about seven feet 1162 00:51:47,890 --> 00:51:44,329 tall or larger he said it was tall 1163 00:51:49,749 --> 00:51:47,900 almost skeletal thin he said that he was 1164 00:51:51,279 --> 00:51:49,759 the opinion been lying on its belly on 1165 00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:51,289 the ground with his head facing towards 1166 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:52,940 the road when he first thought then it 1167 00:51:57,519 --> 00:51:55,729 stood up face Trobe and in the dark 1168 00:51:58,989 --> 00:51:57,529 location he saw the dull light from the 1169 00:52:02,140 --> 00:51:58,999 glory head was illuminating the upper 1170 00:52:05,439 --> 00:52:02,150 section of the body as he watched it 1171 00:52:07,029 --> 00:52:05,449 turned towards to right and he could see 1172 00:52:09,189 --> 00:52:07,039 the illumination lighting a part of the 1173 00:52:12,509 --> 00:52:09,199 shoulders then it turned face towards 1174 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:12,519 him turn to the left and immediately 1175 00:52:19,989 --> 00:52:15,410 took off an incredible speed he said the 1176 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:19,999 speed was abnormal he said was 1177 00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,890 fascinating had ever seen it was there 1178 00:52:26,849 --> 00:52:24,319 and that it was gone which is very 1179 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:26,859 interesting because in recent years 1180 00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:31,650 various UFO witnesses cryptid witnesses 1181 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:33,540 the same thing it was here and suddenly 1182 00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:36,090 it was gone and he said as he watches 1183 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:38,460 this thing he said he assumed it moved 1184 00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:40,290 on two legs but he couldn't see the 1185 00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:43,260 lower extremities in the dark and he 1186 00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,480 said they had was about eight to ten 1187 00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:47,520 inches diameter kind of shaped like a 1188 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:50,310 ball but he said it could possibly have 1189 00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,890 been more egg-shaped as well and the 1190 00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,960 low-light was a dull white it 1191 00:52:58,850 --> 00:52:56,880 illuminated the shoulders the top of the 1192 00:52:59,900 --> 00:52:58,860 chest of section of the arms he could 1193 00:53:01,700 --> 00:52:59,910 not see the hands 1194 00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:01,710 it just looked at me about 18 inches 1195 00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:04,380 across the waist appeared to be small 1196 00:53:09,740 --> 00:53:07,500 but the arms were abnormally long and he 1197 00:53:12,140 --> 00:53:09,750 says the long limbs looked skeletal with 1198 00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:12,150 no muscle mass and that the skin tone 1199 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:14,670 appeared to be kind of a grayish blue he 1200 00:53:18,890 --> 00:53:17,010 could not see any facial features and he 1201 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:18,900 said I only lasted about 10 seconds but 1202 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:20,730 he got a good look at this thing as it 1203 00:53:25,490 --> 00:53:22,650 ran off he pulled his patrol car up 1204 00:53:26,780 --> 00:53:25,500 shined a spotlight on the area looked 1205 00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:26,790 around for evidence on the ground but 1206 00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:28,950 didn't see anything and then to make 1207 00:53:33,980 --> 00:53:31,500 things even more interesting I got a 1208 00:53:35,570 --> 00:53:33,990 report several weeks later around the 1209 00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:35,580 third week of September from another 1210 00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,880 area of West Warren County not really 1211 00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:40,880 that far from where this occurred and 1212 00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:43,500 another witness described to me seeing 1213 00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:46,710 something somewhat similar but it was 1214 00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:51,030 not glowing but the person described the 1215 00:53:55,310 --> 00:53:53,700 head similar said the color was odd and 1216 00:53:57,290 --> 00:53:55,320 gave the impression it was sickly and 1217 00:53:59,180 --> 00:53:57,300 poor health it looked to be kind of a 1218 00:54:01,640 --> 00:53:59,190 very light cream to every color 1219 00:54:03,380 --> 00:54:01,650 couldn't see any facial features but 1220 00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,390 this creature had come out of the woods 1221 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:06,000 and approached very close to this person 1222 00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:08,370 who became very frightened and ran off 1223 00:54:14,750 --> 00:54:12,630 and then just in the last week wan 1224 00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:14,760 Strickler over there our cleaners and 1225 00:54:18,020 --> 00:54:16,350 monsters that published report he had 1226 00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:18,030 called me about it with some 1227 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:20,250 similarities of an instant happen in a 1228 00:54:25,150 --> 00:54:22,410 suburb of Pittsburgh so once again in a 1229 00:54:29,660 --> 00:54:25,160 more populated area that just occurred 1230 00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:29,670 february 3rd of this year and that when 1231 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:33,000 I saw the sketch of this creature it had 1232 00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:35,370 some similarities to what the police 1233 00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:38,150 officer described so we have three 1234 00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:41,240 possible reports of something similar 1235 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:43,740 within several months not really that 1236 00:54:48,380 --> 00:54:45,090 far away as a growth 1237 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:48,390 and that's right fascinating but you 1238 00:54:52,310 --> 00:54:50,610 know something else Paul brought up with 1239 00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,320 some of the different similarities and 1240 00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:54,000 reports there one thing I found years 1241 00:55:00,260 --> 00:54:58,530 ago was that many close-range low-level 1242 00:55:02,090 --> 00:55:00,270 UFO sightings we're not talking lights 1243 00:55:05,330 --> 00:55:02,100 in the sky we're talking large 1244 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:05,340 structured craft very low two witnesses 1245 00:55:10,070 --> 00:55:06,930 very little ground sometimes on the 1246 00:55:11,540 --> 00:55:10,080 ground as well as many of the very close 1247 00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:11,550 range cryptid encounters so we're 1248 00:55:14,570 --> 00:55:12,540 talking Bigfoot 1249 00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:14,580 Black Panthers Thunderbirds other 1250 00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:17,430 strange creatures they commonly occur in 1251 00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:20,190 the vicinity of energy sources saw water 1252 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:21,720 sightings around power plants 1253 00:55:27,590 --> 00:55:24,930 high-tension power lines cellphone rated 1254 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:27,600 communication towers railroad tracks gas 1255 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:30,450 wells gas line goes on and on and on 1256 00:55:34,310 --> 00:55:32,490 I've said for a long time there's 1257 00:55:35,810 --> 00:55:34,320 definitely an energy connection that a 1258 00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:35,820 phenomena we're dealing with 1259 00:55:44,060 --> 00:55:40,980 oh yeah that's I know that researchers 1260 00:55:45,830 --> 00:55:44,070 have have noticed that angle for a long 1261 00:55:48,490 --> 00:55:45,840 time especially the high tension power 1262 00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:48,500 lines that run across this country 1263 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:51,180 especially a UFO sightings that were 1264 00:55:55,460 --> 00:55:54,090 seen to you know actually it's almost 1265 00:56:00,260 --> 00:55:55,470 like they were following them you know 1266 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:00,270 across the country these things hovering 1267 00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:01,890 I mean right over to power stations 1268 00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:03,510 right over the high-tension line 1269 00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:06,440 sometimes something attaching from the 1270 00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:11,040 yeah yeah I remember seeing a photograph 1271 00:56:20,170 --> 00:56:13,740 I think Ray Palmer printed it back in 1272 00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:20,180 the 1960s from Australia of these pipe 1273 00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:21,420 brightly-lit 1274 00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:23,940 I guess I would call pie pans except you 1275 00:56:28,340 --> 00:56:26,640 couldn't see they were discs and they 1276 00:56:30,980 --> 00:56:28,350 were hovering directly over some high 1277 00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:30,990 tension lines and they were taking but 1278 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:33,720 photos are taken by a teenager fellow 1279 00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:36,810 there at the the time and were printed 1280 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:41,280 in the papers in Australia and even the 1281 00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:43,290 Jenny Randall's over there in the UK I 1282 00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:48,240 did remember she did a an article for us 1283 00:56:53,180 --> 00:56:49,920 when we were publishing UFO universe 1284 00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:53,190 magazine and it was about sightings that 1285 00:56:59,010 --> 00:56:55,800 had taken place in the areas around 1286 00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,020 high-tension line so 1287 00:57:03,569 --> 00:57:02,079 in fact it repeatedly in in some cases 1288 00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:03,579 where these things have actually been 1289 00:57:09,329 --> 00:57:06,430 seen you know people I don't know why 1290 00:57:11,579 --> 00:57:09,339 they exactly buy a home it's 50 feet of 1291 00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:11,589 50 yards away from a hydrant light in 1292 00:57:17,099 --> 00:57:14,950 their backyard you know but they seem to 1293 00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:17,109 have an awful lot of trouble when it 1294 00:57:23,220 --> 00:57:20,470 comes to this weird sort of you know 1295 00:57:27,569 --> 00:57:23,230 phenomena even that there are TV sets 1296 00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:27,579 sometimes being taken over radio and TV 1297 00:57:35,549 --> 00:57:31,230 transmissions and things along that line 1298 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:35,559 well now Stan were there any reports of 1299 00:57:41,549 --> 00:57:38,890 actual like contacts in the area where 1300 00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:41,559 people were seeing these UFOs and 1301 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:44,230 reported having some sort of 1302 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:50,290 face-to-face encounters with beings well 1303 00:57:55,049 --> 00:57:53,290 it's a very long complicated subject 1304 00:57:57,089 --> 00:57:55,059 I've worked on hundreds of Bigfoot 1305 00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:57,099 sightings and thousands UFO cases over 1306 00:58:01,470 --> 00:57:59,170 the years man's non-indian goes on all 1307 00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:01,480 the time even a recent weeks but I 1308 00:58:07,049 --> 00:58:05,049 looked into the alleged abduction 1309 00:58:09,150 --> 00:58:07,059 reports I was probably one the first and 1310 00:58:12,270 --> 00:58:09,160 I country get deeply involved in the 1311 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:12,280 late 60s and you got to remember now 1312 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:14,410 we're getting a lot of reports there my 1313 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:17,890 first group was founded in 1970 and over 1314 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:19,210 the years I found the three different 1315 00:58:23,069 --> 00:58:21,010 research groups a lot of research people 1316 00:58:24,569 --> 00:58:23,079 involved and we're doing this basically 1317 00:58:27,150 --> 00:58:24,579 out of our own time and pocket so we're 1318 00:58:29,220 --> 00:58:27,160 being overwhelmed with reports and I 1319 00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:29,230 mean you could spend months and years 1320 00:58:34,140 --> 00:58:32,049 just on one alleged contact D or 1321 00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:34,150 abduction report but we had some very 1322 00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:36,609 significant reports and you know Bigfoot 1323 00:58:39,569 --> 00:58:37,150 sightings 1324 00:58:41,970 --> 00:58:39,579 just like with UFOs they go on all over 1325 00:58:44,250 --> 00:58:41,980 the state of Pennsylvania but there are 1326 00:58:46,260 --> 00:58:44,260 some areas where there's more than 1327 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:46,270 normal activity in the area that Paul 1328 00:58:51,089 --> 00:58:48,970 talked about up around Dubois has had a 1329 00:58:52,530 --> 00:58:51,099 long history of these things going on I 1330 00:58:54,420 --> 00:58:52,540 worked on many cases over there for 1331 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:54,430 years and years so you going up through 1332 00:58:58,349 --> 00:58:56,410 three boys around Punxsutawney 1333 00:59:00,299 --> 00:58:58,359 Clearfield tying that stopped around 1334 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:00,309 Kinzua dam up in the Allegheny National 1335 00:59:04,859 --> 00:59:03,250 Forest it's an area it has all kind of 1336 00:59:07,230 --> 00:59:04,869 weird things even the last couple years 1337 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:07,240 to get on my website you can see some of 1338 00:59:11,309 --> 00:59:09,609 those cases on there but in the last few 1339 00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:11,319 years there have been as you talk about 1340 00:59:15,509 --> 00:59:13,209 Bigfoot 1341 00:59:19,949 --> 00:59:15,519 a weird other cryptid reports it just 1342 00:59:21,809 --> 00:59:19,959 goes on on and on and on so yes the 1343 00:59:25,650 --> 00:59:21,819 answer your question there have been 1344 00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:25,660 alleged contact reports mainly going 1345 00:59:30,839 --> 00:59:28,089 back to the 60s and maybe early 70s and 1346 00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:30,849 some of the areas where some of this was 1347 00:59:37,709 --> 00:59:34,329 going on I don't know how it relates to 1348 00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:37,719 it but again these things go on all over 1349 00:59:42,689 --> 00:59:40,209 Pennsylvania but there are certain areas 1350 00:59:45,089 --> 00:59:42,699 that seem to have more activity and 1351 00:59:47,249 --> 00:59:45,099 others and sometimes you know as kill 1352 00:59:49,529 --> 00:59:47,259 mentioned you call it a a window area a 1353 00:59:50,910 --> 00:59:49,539 target area but and this was going on 1354 00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:50,920 right now I'm know of at least two 1355 00:59:55,439 --> 00:59:52,599 locations here in Pennsylvania it's been 1356 00:59:58,589 --> 00:59:55,449 gone now for last few years where these 1357 01:00:00,779 --> 00:59:58,599 were people's properties that did not 1358 01:00:02,910 --> 01:00:00,789 have anything I news going on which 1359 01:00:05,309 --> 01:00:02,920 suddenly they began to experience all 1360 01:00:07,219 --> 01:00:05,319 kind of phenomena from strange screams 1361 01:00:09,929 --> 01:00:07,229 and cries to strange footprints 1362 01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:09,939 paranormal phenomena Bigfoot encounters 1363 01:00:15,029 --> 01:00:12,400 UFO encounters and sometimes this 1364 01:00:17,339 --> 01:00:15,039 phenomenon will focus on an area for 1365 01:00:19,979 --> 01:00:17,349 maybe just days or weeks or months or 1366 01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:19,989 years and other people sometimes begin 1367 01:00:25,319 --> 01:00:22,209 an experience in the same area and this 1368 01:00:27,569 --> 01:00:25,329 phenomena I said years ago the phenomena 1369 01:00:28,769 --> 01:00:27,579 so strange it protects itself because 1370 01:00:34,439 --> 01:00:28,779 who's gonna believe that let you 1371 01:00:37,319 --> 01:00:34,449 experience it yourself know what about 1372 01:00:39,029 --> 01:00:37,329 okay now and I realize and and and 1373 01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:39,039 either one of you can answer this for 1374 01:00:50,130 --> 01:00:44,640 both of you do you think that these 1375 01:00:52,380 --> 01:00:50,140 occurrences are deliberate or an after 1376 01:00:58,289 --> 01:00:52,390 effect of something I don't know I don't 1377 01:01:01,859 --> 01:00:58,299 know if that's a clear question but I I 1378 01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:01,869 suppose is there in an intelligence 1379 01:01:09,539 --> 01:01:06,569 going on here or we're seeing like a 1380 01:01:13,380 --> 01:01:09,549 residual effect of some kind of you know 1381 01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:13,390 natural phenomena like like Paula talked 1382 01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:15,660 about you like maybe some kind of 1383 01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:21,220 dealing with parallel universes that 1384 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:24,160 there's some kind of you know warp and 1385 01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:26,410 time and space and you're getting like a 1386 01:01:34,319 --> 01:01:30,910 bleed-through effect almost what well if 1387 01:01:37,260 --> 01:01:34,329 I may it could be all of the above maybe 1388 01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:37,270 just you don't know I think one problem 1389 01:01:42,809 --> 01:01:41,230 is our language and the way I've said 1390 01:01:44,730 --> 01:01:42,819 this before it's a it's just our 1391 01:01:48,359 --> 01:01:44,740 language really no language is really up 1392 01:01:51,059 --> 01:01:48,369 to actually talking about this stuff and 1393 01:01:53,579 --> 01:01:51,069 neither is our very narrow paradigm the 1394 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:53,589 trouble with us is that we'll take okay 1395 01:01:58,290 --> 01:01:56,890 you see a wispy thing you know you think 1396 01:02:00,690 --> 01:01:58,300 it's uncle George you know floating 1397 01:02:03,329 --> 01:02:00,700 through your living room two years after 1398 01:02:05,790 --> 01:02:03,339 his funeral well that's not necessarily 1399 01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:05,800 what it is the labels we put on things 1400 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:08,170 are based on our limited way of 1401 01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:11,650 understanding it could be anything you 1402 01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:14,319 know but but we will take things it's 1403 01:02:18,839 --> 01:02:16,960 almost like psychic pareidolia I mean we 1404 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:18,849 will take things and make them make 1405 01:02:25,140 --> 01:02:23,170 sense so that when I saw that whatever I 1406 01:02:28,050 --> 01:02:25,150 saw in that Pennsylvania field that 1407 01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:28,060 night in September 16 yeah I might have 1408 01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:30,910 been a Bigfoot it might have been we 1409 01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,950 might put in place the term alien on it 1410 01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:34,720 because it was very other you've 1411 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:37,630 compared to what we're used to these 1412 01:02:41,730 --> 01:02:39,970 these ghosts are they really I'm often 1413 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:41,740 perhaps the best way to illustrate this 1414 01:02:47,069 --> 01:02:43,930 is that they're a couple of headliners 1415 01:02:48,750 --> 01:02:47,079 from MUFON who will some will consult 1416 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:48,760 with very often because they'll be 1417 01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:50,530 investigating a case of abduction and 1418 01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,329 all of a sudden in the person's house 1419 01:02:56,220 --> 01:02:54,880 poltergeist activity starts in and stuff 1420 01:02:59,550 --> 01:02:56,230 that would they would consider 1421 01:03:01,680 --> 01:02:59,560 quote-unquote demonic and you know 1422 01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:01,690 things that or the or they'll see a 1423 01:03:07,530 --> 01:03:04,750 cryptid things that don't usually get 1424 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:07,540 are not usually associated with UFOs so 1425 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:09,490 these crossover phenomenal bleed-through 1426 01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:11,410 stim I think is a very good way to put 1427 01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:15,369 it I think that you know Joe John keel 1428 01:03:21,050 --> 01:03:18,400 of jock the chocolate actually Jacques 1429 01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,060 ballet other people have seen this as 1430 01:03:25,620 --> 01:03:23,680 you know going way beyond the 19th 1431 01:03:29,370 --> 01:03:25,630 century ideas of what these things are 1432 01:03:30,359 --> 01:03:29,380 and sort of sort of a kin paranormal 1433 01:03:32,180 --> 01:03:30,369 approach to things that were 1434 01:03:34,530 --> 01:03:32,190 traditionally thought to be separate and 1435 01:03:37,050 --> 01:03:34,540 Stan obviously is 1436 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:37,060 seeing that sore we and it's for maybe 1437 01:03:41,850 --> 01:03:39,450 it's the first day of school but I think 1438 01:03:45,150 --> 01:03:41,860 we can also get into some very deep 1439 01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:45,160 concepts such as the hologram which to 1440 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:48,190 us is a variation of the multi-verse 1441 01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:49,450 thing when it's a little bit different 1442 01:03:55,140 --> 01:03:52,720 approach and there is actual you know 1443 01:03:57,060 --> 01:03:55,150 their actual physicists who are a very 1444 01:03:58,560 --> 01:03:57,070 credible who are speculating about 1445 01:04:00,410 --> 01:03:58,570 everything we see around us and 1446 01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:00,420 ourselves even being a hologram 1447 01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:06,510 projected by what or who God a Lien's 1448 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:09,910 the gods I mean who knows I mean the 1449 01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:11,650 more the more questions we think we may 1450 01:04:15,450 --> 01:04:13,090 be approaching an answer to there are 1451 01:04:19,710 --> 01:04:15,460 ten more questions that arrives so how 1452 01:04:21,930 --> 01:04:19,720 does an ism I agree exactly what you're 1453 01:04:23,310 --> 01:04:21,940 saying I don't think anybody has the 1454 01:04:25,260 --> 01:04:23,320 answer to what we're dealing with I 1455 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:25,270 don't think the government does I I have 1456 01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:26,770 no doubt they know a lot more than 1457 01:04:30,690 --> 01:04:29,050 telling the public but I'm convinced 1458 01:04:33,090 --> 01:04:30,700 that they're trying to figure out what's 1459 01:04:35,070 --> 01:04:33,100 going on themselves and yes I've seen 1460 01:04:38,010 --> 01:04:35,080 over the years and in some of the cases 1461 01:04:40,260 --> 01:04:38,020 I worked on there was some indication I 1462 01:04:41,850 --> 01:04:40,270 thought the possibility that the 1463 01:04:43,830 --> 01:04:41,860 government got involved in some of these 1464 01:04:45,930 --> 01:04:43,840 incidents and I've seen indications that 1465 01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:45,940 there's an interest about Bigfoot and 1466 01:04:49,290 --> 01:04:48,310 UFOs by our government in some of these 1467 01:04:52,050 --> 01:04:49,300 cases I've heard this from other 1468 01:04:54,810 --> 01:04:52,060 researchers as well but from what I've 1469 01:04:57,030 --> 01:04:54,820 seen over and over again over the years 1470 01:04:59,130 --> 01:04:57,040 is that we're dealing with a phenomena 1471 01:05:02,130 --> 01:04:59,140 that has a physical and a non-physical 1472 01:05:04,170 --> 01:05:02,140 component to it under certain conditions 1473 01:05:06,270 --> 01:05:04,180 that come into our physical reality they 1474 01:05:08,010 --> 01:05:06,280 can look physically solid but not in all 1475 01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:08,020 cases are they including with Bigfoot 1476 01:05:12,540 --> 01:05:10,270 even Black Panthers and other rock 1477 01:05:14,130 --> 01:05:12,550 cryptid take him they can leave evidence 1478 01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:14,140 and then they're gone they come and they 1479 01:05:20,550 --> 01:05:17,710 go and it's a very very strange 1480 01:05:23,370 --> 01:05:20,560 phenomena we're dealing with well and 1481 01:05:26,070 --> 01:05:23,380 that's one of the reasons that I asked 1482 01:05:29,970 --> 01:05:26,080 that question is because that a lot of 1483 01:05:33,150 --> 01:05:29,980 times when people have told me about 1484 01:05:36,210 --> 01:05:33,160 their own personal sightings a lot of 1485 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:36,220 times they will say you know though 1486 01:05:40,620 --> 01:05:37,930 they'll see you know like some kind of 1487 01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,630 like said you know something so bizarre 1488 01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:43,200 you we we don't even have a name for it 1489 01:05:48,290 --> 01:05:45,760 like walking down 1490 01:05:52,380 --> 01:05:48,300 the street of their neighborhood and 1491 01:05:56,130 --> 01:05:52,390 whenever this thing notices that it's 1492 01:05:58,050 --> 01:05:56,140 being seen it acts surprised shocked 1493 01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:58,060 almost I've had a number of people tell 1494 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:00,640 me that it would you know what when they 1495 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:02,410 realize it was being you know looked at 1496 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:04,450 it you know it almost like jumped out of 1497 01:06:09,150 --> 01:06:06,970 its skin it was so surprised there you 1498 01:06:10,380 --> 01:06:09,160 go that's exactly right Mon Strickler 1499 01:06:12,660 --> 01:06:10,390 and I have been talking about in his 1500 01:06:14,370 --> 01:06:12,670 radio show for several years I started 1501 01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:14,380 talking about some of the cryptid case 1502 01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:16,150 I've had in last few years where people 1503 01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:18,670 very close to these creatures and as 1504 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:21,190 soon as they realize they were seen they 1505 01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:22,690 could see a look at their faces they 1506 01:06:27,780 --> 01:06:25,750 were like completely startled and just 1507 01:06:29,490 --> 01:06:27,790 like shocked that they could be seen and 1508 01:06:30,930 --> 01:06:29,500 I said the law and I said I think this 1509 01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:30,940 is an important clue to what we're 1510 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:33,609 dealing with yes absolutely Linda 1511 01:06:37,830 --> 01:06:35,050 Godfrey will talk about that as well 1512 01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:37,840 yeah very often these are these 1513 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:40,240 creatures that there's some indication 1514 01:06:44,490 --> 01:06:42,970 particularly with EMPs apparent EMPs you 1515 01:06:46,620 --> 01:06:44,500 know that the electromagnetic pulses 1516 01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:46,630 that stop vehicles in the midst of 1517 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:48,180 sighting you know things of this sort 1518 01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:50,770 electrical phenomena that the creature 1519 01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:53,609 is just as surprised to be shall I say 1520 01:06:57,540 --> 01:06:56,230 partially in our world as just as we are 1521 01:06:59,580 --> 01:06:57,550 to be in the you know that sort of 1522 01:07:02,520 --> 01:06:59,590 things so it's a mutual experience when 1523 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:02,530 we burn into ghosts or convinced that we 1524 01:07:06,570 --> 01:07:04,090 were ghosts haunting them because they 1525 01:07:08,910 --> 01:07:06,580 saw us as we saw them they were going 1526 01:07:10,890 --> 01:07:08,920 about their normal lives you know day to 1527 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:10,900 day and all of a sudden these weird you 1528 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:13,930 know guys show up or or wispy figures or 1529 01:07:20,099 --> 01:07:16,170 glowing figures they saw and this is 1530 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:20,109 this is the indication we have that's 1531 01:07:26,849 --> 01:07:23,850 like the Nicole Kidman movie the others 1532 01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:26,859 well somebody made me I don't usually 1533 01:07:29,550 --> 01:07:28,270 watch a lot of movies because I don't 1534 01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:29,560 want people to accuse me have come up 1535 01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:30,790 with these i-beams I was writing about 1536 01:07:36,210 --> 01:07:33,760 this stuff in the seventy I don't think 1537 01:07:38,730 --> 01:07:36,220 they got it quite right you know I did 1538 01:07:41,310 --> 01:07:38,740 see that one and but I don't talk about 1539 01:07:43,170 --> 01:07:41,320 that but they kind of they're they were 1540 01:07:45,630 --> 01:07:43,180 getting there but I think they blew it 1541 01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:45,640 in the air no yeah well I mean it's a 1542 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:48,880 movie what he expected how he rarely 1543 01:07:59,690 --> 01:07:56,170 gets it right right right well and what 1544 01:08:07,050 --> 01:07:59,700 what interests me 1545 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:07,060 with all this is the the idea that like 1546 01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:09,730 Stan had pointed out is that you know 1547 01:08:15,830 --> 01:08:11,950 you've got these things that that seem 1548 01:08:18,900 --> 01:08:15,840 to be almost alternating back and forth 1549 01:08:22,290 --> 01:08:18,910 between realities which which makes me 1550 01:08:25,190 --> 01:08:22,300 wonder are there other realities where 1551 01:08:29,610 --> 01:08:25,200 they're seen you know cars and planes 1552 01:08:32,190 --> 01:08:29,620 and and kids you know going to school 1553 01:08:36,030 --> 01:08:32,200 and reporting it to their authorities 1554 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:36,040 and being laughed at and called crazy I 1555 01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:40,210 mean it doesn't work both ways well 1556 01:08:44,670 --> 01:08:42,310 that's it I mean there there are all 1557 01:08:48,690 --> 01:08:44,680 sorts of questions that that arise in 1558 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:48,700 that regard but we're often confronted 1559 01:08:54,690 --> 01:08:52,290 with the disclosure movement hmm and 1560 01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:54,700 that comes up remember I was on a panel 1561 01:08:58,250 --> 01:08:56,290 with rosemary ellen guiley who's a dear 1562 01:09:01,140 --> 01:08:58,260 friend but we don't we agreed that it's 1563 01:09:02,430 --> 01:09:01,150 you know that it's Thursday and maybe 1564 01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:02,440 the sun is shining but that's the one 1565 01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:05,410 that we agree on but she is a big 1566 01:09:08,340 --> 01:09:06,850 believer in the disclosure movement but 1567 01:09:09,870 --> 01:09:08,350 I think that's naive 1568 01:09:12,780 --> 01:09:09,880 I mean who believes what the government 1569 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:12,790 says and there are many times where we 1570 01:09:19,140 --> 01:09:16,690 encounter people in these flat areas and 1571 01:09:20,940 --> 01:09:19,150 they might appear to be the government 1572 01:09:24,090 --> 01:09:20,950 might appears be the military but I I 1573 01:09:26,820 --> 01:09:24,100 personally have my doubts don't forget 1574 01:09:29,490 --> 01:09:26,830 there is a huge corporate interest in 1575 01:09:32,540 --> 01:09:29,500 technology and love everything really 1576 01:09:35,130 --> 01:09:32,550 comes down to money in our society 1577 01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,140 and I think that that there may be 1578 01:09:39,150 --> 01:09:36,880 private interests we're carrying on some 1579 01:09:40,590 --> 01:09:39,160 of this research there are private 1580 01:09:42,270 --> 01:09:40,600 security companies that may look like 1581 01:09:45,180 --> 01:09:42,280 soldiers and so these are all questions 1582 01:09:48,210 --> 01:09:45,190 that I think have to be considered well 1583 01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:48,220 ok though have you ever considered that 1584 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:52,210 some of these sightings of soldiers and 1585 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:54,370 military vehicles and things like that 1586 01:10:00,090 --> 01:09:56,650 may actually be part of the phenomenon 1587 01:10:04,050 --> 01:10:00,100 itself yes we have considered that Mark 1588 01:10:06,210 --> 01:10:04,060 Dantonio who was a very close associate 1589 01:10:08,460 --> 01:10:06,220 of ours a dear friend and works with us 1590 01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:08,470 on these federal cases he's he's an 1591 01:10:13,649 --> 01:10:11,110 astronomer and he is muffinz national 1592 01:10:15,570 --> 01:10:13,659 director of video and photo analysis 1593 01:10:16,740 --> 01:10:15,580 we call him our killjoy photo analyst 1594 01:10:20,250 --> 01:10:16,750 right because he always finds some happy 1595 01:10:22,770 --> 01:10:20,260 not always he said when he was a young 1596 01:10:25,979 --> 01:10:22,780 boy he lives in this this Litchfield 1597 01:10:28,290 --> 01:10:25,989 County flap area kind of place and he 1598 01:10:29,729 --> 01:10:28,300 said when he was a young boy he was 1599 01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:29,739 driving with his father and he came to 1600 01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:31,449 one of the roads where there are 1601 01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:34,090 phenomena happening to this day and he 1602 01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:37,120 saw that there were some very almost 1603 01:10:42,270 --> 01:10:40,510 like antique fire engines and and their 1604 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:42,280 firefighters an old uniforms with police 1605 01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:44,290 officers the police officer said sir 1606 01:10:49,470 --> 01:10:45,489 yeah you can't drag this you have to 1607 01:10:51,810 --> 01:10:49,480 turn around so you know I'm he went and 1608 01:10:54,270 --> 01:10:51,820 drove and then they circled around and 1609 01:10:57,500 --> 01:10:54,280 came back everything was gone no more no 1610 01:11:00,270 --> 01:10:57,510 firefighters no police officers so again 1611 01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:00,280 all sorts of possibilities for what this 1612 01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:04,449 could be almost yeah almost like a time 1613 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:08,290 slip and stand before you answer here we 1614 01:11:12,689 --> 01:11:09,850 have to go to our bottom of the hour 1615 01:11:15,780 --> 01:11:12,699 break we'll bring this back up around 1616 01:11:17,580 --> 01:11:15,790 again when we come back for more 1617 01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:17,590 exploring the bizarre with our guest 1618 01:11:31,630 --> 01:11:20,770 staff Gordon and Paul II know so stay 1619 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:35,780 now back to exploring the bazaars with 1620 01:11:41,660 --> 01:11:38,370 two of the most electrifying researchers 1621 01:11:48,170 --> 01:11:41,670 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 1622 01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:48,180 Lee panting you know Tim it makes it 1623 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:49,800 sound like we're hovering right there 1624 01:11:53,780 --> 01:11:51,570 right next to the high-tension lines 1625 01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:53,790 ourselves maybe we're causing maybe 1626 01:11:59,210 --> 01:11:56,490 we're causing some of this phenomena to 1627 01:12:02,510 --> 01:11:59,220 take place it's it's all because of us 1628 01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:02,520 that Bigfoot is wandering the woods 1629 01:12:09,020 --> 01:12:04,650 longer Chestnut Ridge 1630 01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:09,030 speaking of Chestnut Ridge I just saw a 1631 01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:12,000 very incredible movie this afternoon 1632 01:12:17,930 --> 01:12:14,940 actually it's my second viewing of it 1633 01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:17,940 it's a produced and directed by a Seth 1634 01:12:23,930 --> 01:12:20,690 Breedlove who's been on our program 1635 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:23,940 several times and he has a film 1636 01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:27,210 production company small town monsters 1637 01:12:38,540 --> 01:12:33,030 and he's his most recent entry into the 1638 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:38,550 film land as a movie that Stan Gordon is 1639 01:12:44,990 --> 01:12:40,850 featured in in fact I would say that the 1640 01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:45,000 stan is the star of the movie unless you 1641 01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:48,960 want to maybe include a Bigfoot in there 1642 01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:51,510 but Stan tell us how did you get 1643 01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:55,050 involved with the with this particular 1644 01:13:01,400 --> 01:12:59,040 project well South had contacted me that 1645 01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:01,410 he was interested in doing a documentary 1646 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:03,510 on the incident along with Chestnut 1647 01:13:08,060 --> 01:13:05,370 Ridge he was familiar with the many 1648 01:13:09,890 --> 01:13:08,070 years of research I did on it and I was 1649 01:13:12,110 --> 01:13:09,900 I'm a little twosie of different 1650 01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:12,120 projects I get called to do but I knew 1651 01:13:16,940 --> 01:13:15,150 about the great documentaries and and 1652 01:13:19,070 --> 01:13:16,950 the professionalism that he had done on 1653 01:13:21,290 --> 01:13:19,080 his other documentaries and we discussed 1654 01:13:24,260 --> 01:13:21,300 it more and I decided to do the project 1655 01:13:25,820 --> 01:13:24,270 and I think it came out very good 1656 01:13:29,150 --> 01:13:25,830 I know it's gotten some great reviews 1657 01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:29,160 out there on Amazon and for the first 1658 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:31,170 time we were able to guest I was able to 1659 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:33,330 get some some witnesses who had 1660 01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:36,090 experienced phenomena along the ridge 1661 01:13:39,799 --> 01:13:38,280 mainly with Krypton's that come on 1662 01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:39,809 and tell the stories for the first time 1663 01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:42,960 and I think it came across very well and 1664 01:13:47,299 --> 01:13:45,360 I've heard some very good draw response 1665 01:13:51,379 --> 01:13:47,309 from people who've seen the film I'm 1666 01:13:54,919 --> 01:13:51,389 looking here at the ad on Facebook it 1667 01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:54,929 says invasion on Chestnut Ridge in a 1668 01:14:02,180 --> 01:13:57,690 place shrouded in mystery a force from 1669 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:02,190 beyond our reality arrived and that 1670 01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:04,770 you've got some well now there's a 1671 01:14:09,140 --> 01:14:06,780 particular incident in there and maybe 1672 01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:09,150 you can describe it in more detail where 1673 01:14:15,250 --> 01:14:12,360 these creatures were following the 1674 01:14:17,930 --> 01:14:15,260 defense post and they were they were 1675 01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:17,940 giants or they they were they seemed to 1676 01:14:24,169 --> 01:14:20,880 be taller than the fence posts which 1677 01:14:26,629 --> 01:14:24,179 were what the six feet tall yeah yeah 1678 01:14:29,149 --> 01:14:26,639 that's probably them probably the most 1679 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:29,159 of the thousands of cases I worked on 1680 01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:33,690 that is probably the case that convinced 1681 01:14:37,879 --> 01:14:35,820 myself and my team that there was a lot 1682 01:14:39,589 --> 01:14:37,889 more to the Bigfoot phenomenon that any 1683 01:14:43,370 --> 01:14:39,599 of us could ever imagine so that goes 1684 01:14:45,589 --> 01:14:43,380 back at a massive wave of 1973 and 74 in 1685 01:14:48,410 --> 01:14:45,599 Pennsylvania the incident happened up 1686 01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:48,420 again Fayette County not far from the 1687 01:14:52,839 --> 01:14:49,440 Chestnut Ridge 1688 01:14:55,330 --> 01:14:52,849 it was October 27 1973 outside of the 1689 01:14:57,859 --> 01:14:55,340 Uniontown Pennsylvania in a rural area 1690 01:14:59,629 --> 01:14:57,869 about 10:30 that night I get a call from 1691 01:15:02,359 --> 01:14:59,639 a state trooper from the Uniontown 1692 01:15:04,669 --> 01:15:02,369 barracks and when he called me you could 1693 01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:04,679 tell he was a little shook up and he 1694 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:06,510 said you need to get a team up here as 1695 01:15:10,189 --> 01:15:08,610 soon as you can I think there's a good 1696 01:15:12,859 --> 01:15:10,199 chance something store in the pasture 1697 01:15:16,450 --> 01:15:12,869 but I find out about nine o'clock that 1698 01:15:19,879 --> 01:15:16,460 night about 15 people in that rural area 1699 01:15:23,180 --> 01:15:19,889 they see this object in the sky about as 1700 01:15:24,740 --> 01:15:23,190 big as a barn it's a big red sphere and 1701 01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:24,750 it's only about a hundred feet off the 1702 01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:26,489 ground and people all over the area 1703 01:15:32,089 --> 01:15:28,530 watching this thing it is moving 1704 01:15:35,629 --> 01:15:32,099 downward towards this pasture area the 1705 01:15:37,609 --> 01:15:35,639 story kind of focuses on the farmer son 1706 01:15:39,979 --> 01:15:37,619 who was coming out to visit his dad was 1707 01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:39,989 at his dad's farm this was taking place 1708 01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:42,239 and as he's driving down the road he 1709 01:15:46,459 --> 01:15:44,159 sees the object of these people standing 1710 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:46,469 outside looking at this thing and he 1711 01:15:51,689 --> 01:15:49,650 decides to go up up on the hill to a 1712 01:15:55,020 --> 01:15:51,699 different location get a better view 1713 01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:55,030 and it looks like this thing's going to 1714 01:15:59,640 --> 01:15:57,850 land over in his dad's farm so he and 1715 01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:59,650 two young neighbor boys decide they're 1716 01:16:03,689 --> 01:16:00,960 going to go up to see what this thing is 1717 01:16:05,970 --> 01:16:03,699 so before they go up that area they 1718 01:16:07,919 --> 01:16:05,980 stopped over at his dad's farm and he 1719 01:16:10,770 --> 01:16:07,929 picks up a 31-6 and a handful of 1720 01:16:14,010 --> 01:16:10,780 ammunition including that ammunition 1721 01:16:15,660 --> 01:16:14,020 with two tracers so why anybody familiar 1722 01:16:17,970 --> 01:16:15,670 with hunting knows those traits that 1723 01:16:19,860 --> 01:16:17,980 give you that illuminance trail anyhow 1724 01:16:22,110 --> 01:16:19,870 so riding down the farm road and they're 1725 01:16:24,300 --> 01:16:22,120 getting closer to the pasture the dogs 1726 01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:24,310 are on the air going crazy they hear 1727 01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:26,110 this loud high-pitched whirling sound 1728 01:16:31,919 --> 01:16:28,239 and the a of these loud baby crying 1729 01:16:34,350 --> 01:16:31,929 sounds and they angle their truck with 1730 01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:34,360 the headlights on to share the path to 1731 01:16:37,950 --> 01:16:35,830 go up towards the heel up towards the 1732 01:16:40,530 --> 01:16:37,960 pasture and they notice that the power 1733 01:16:41,939 --> 01:16:40,540 appears be draining something's draining 1734 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:41,949 the power from the headlights they had 1735 01:16:46,860 --> 01:16:44,290 never experienced that before as they go 1736 01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:46,870 out to the top of the hill but looking 1737 01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:49,570 over the field and they cannot believe 1738 01:16:53,250 --> 01:16:50,410 what they're seeing 1739 01:16:55,530 --> 01:16:53,260 because that object about 250 feet away 1740 01:16:58,620 --> 01:16:55,540 is now on the ground or right above it 1741 01:17:00,930 --> 01:16:58,630 but now this thing is a big white dome 1742 01:17:03,090 --> 01:17:00,940 not a complete sphere it's about a 1743 01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:03,100 hundred feet or more in diameter it's 1744 01:17:06,510 --> 01:17:04,960 illuminating the whole area making it 1745 01:17:08,189 --> 01:17:06,520 out loud whirling noise and they're 1746 01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:08,199 standing there and they're trying to 1747 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:10,960 figure out what this thing is then their 1748 01:17:16,740 --> 01:17:13,210 attention focuses on a barbed wire fence 1749 01:17:19,229 --> 01:17:16,750 line about 75 feet away along that 1750 01:17:22,620 --> 01:17:19,239 barbed wire fence are these two tall 1751 01:17:24,660 --> 01:17:22,630 hairy bipedal creatures bigfoot-type 1752 01:17:26,910 --> 01:17:24,670 creatures walking in their direction one 1753 01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:26,920 behind the other the fence posts were 1754 01:17:29,970 --> 01:17:28,239 about six feet tall 1755 01:17:32,459 --> 01:17:29,980 the creature in front about eight feet 1756 01:17:32,939 --> 01:17:32,469 tall the one behind is about seven feet 1757 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:32,949 tall 1758 01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:35,290 these things are covering long dark 1759 01:17:40,770 --> 01:17:38,620 matted hair they have no neck the arms 1760 01:17:42,959 --> 01:17:40,780 are so long almost down to the ground 1761 01:17:45,630 --> 01:17:42,969 they have luminous glowing eyes or 1762 01:17:46,919 --> 01:17:45,640 actually bright luminous green which has 1763 01:17:49,169 --> 01:17:46,929 been reported with some other Bigfoot 1764 01:17:50,910 --> 01:17:49,179 incidents as well you hear quite often 1765 01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,920 about the redder or reddish orange but 1766 01:17:55,140 --> 01:17:52,719 there have been reports of green there's 1767 01:17:56,939 --> 01:17:55,150 other colors as well and these things 1768 01:17:58,650 --> 01:17:56,949 are making that crime whining noise and 1769 01:18:00,600 --> 01:17:58,660 they're moving right beat one behind the 1770 01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:00,610 other slowly in the direction of the 1771 01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:03,280 three witnesses the one kids watch 1772 01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:05,110 anything he says scaredy runs out of the 1773 01:18:07,620 --> 01:18:05,590 field 1774 01:18:10,230 --> 01:18:07,630 the other kid yells at the former son 1775 01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:10,240 shoot him shoot him the guy takes his 1776 01:18:14,010 --> 01:18:11,830 first shot which turns out to be a 1777 01:18:17,370 --> 01:18:14,020 tracer so he just had that aluminous 1778 01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:17,380 trail but when he fires that second shot 1779 01:18:23,370 --> 01:18:20,710 that second tracer the largest of the 1780 01:18:26,250 --> 01:18:23,380 two creatures was out a very loud 1781 01:18:29,070 --> 01:18:26,260 whining crying sound reaches out as 1782 01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:29,080 though to grab at that tracer and at the 1783 01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:31,570 exact same time that object and the 1784 01:18:38,370 --> 01:18:34,480 field disappears it doesn't take off it 1785 01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:38,380 is physically vanishes at that point the 1786 01:18:43,740 --> 01:18:40,930 luminosity most of it's gone the loud 1787 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:43,750 whirling sound is gone and the creatures 1788 01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:46,570 turn around at that point slowly start 1789 01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:48,310 walking along the fence line back 1790 01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:51,490 towards the woods at that point the 1791 01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:54,250 fellows firing now live ammo from his 1792 01:18:59,060 --> 01:18:56,710 30-odd six at the creatures he said 1793 01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:59,070 focusing on the largest creature and 1794 01:19:04,110 --> 01:19:01,600 until he passed away he always said to 1795 01:19:06,570 --> 01:19:04,120 me said I'll never forget how that huge 1796 01:19:10,170 --> 01:19:06,580 thing with those glowing green eyes kept 1797 01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:10,180 staring at him as he's firing 30.6 live 1798 01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:11,890 ammo into it with no effect on them 1799 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:14,800 whatsoever they ran back to the the 1800 01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:17,050 truck went back to the farmhouse told 1801 01:19:19,770 --> 01:19:18,640 people what happened took them to a 1802 01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:19,780 neighbor and called the State Police 1803 01:19:26,580 --> 01:19:22,480 when their trooper arrived 45 minutes 1804 01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:26,590 later the witness told me he says he 1805 01:19:29,070 --> 01:19:27,520 told the trooper he said look just 1806 01:19:31,890 --> 01:19:29,080 forget about it you guys think I'm nuts 1807 01:19:33,570 --> 01:19:31,900 and the trooper said we had a report of 1808 01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:33,580 two similar creatures on a mountain the 1809 01:19:37,980 --> 01:19:35,590 night before I had to investigate the 1810 01:19:39,420 --> 01:19:37,990 incident the short part of the story is 1811 01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:39,430 they went up to the troop car up to the 1812 01:19:44,700 --> 01:19:42,760 pasture the state trooper told me the 1813 01:19:47,850 --> 01:19:44,710 area where the object was on the ground 1814 01:19:49,410 --> 01:19:47,860 while South luminous and glowing but a 1815 01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,420 hundred feet or more in diameter 1816 01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:51,760 he said the farm animals wouldn't go 1817 01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:53,920 anywhere near and he said if he had 1818 01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:56,290 eaten if he had a newspaper he could 1819 01:19:59,760 --> 01:19:58,090 have sat down within that glowing area 1820 01:20:01,610 --> 01:19:59,770 and read the news but newspaper from the 1821 01:20:03,870 --> 01:20:01,620 light coming off of it 1822 01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:03,880 again that's the short part of the story 1823 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:05,920 the incidents got stranger and stranger 1824 01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,090 through the night 1825 01:20:11,970 --> 01:20:09,520 I wrote the whole episode up in my cell 1826 01:20:15,330 --> 01:20:11,980 invasion book it's an amazing amazing 1827 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:15,340 story including the the mystery men one 1828 01:20:18,860 --> 01:20:17,170 in a dark suit when an Air Force uniform 1829 01:20:21,810 --> 01:20:18,870 they can 1830 01:20:22,980 --> 01:20:21,820 within the next two weeks and for years 1831 01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:22,990 he always thought they're part of my 1832 01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:25,120 research group we didn't find out the 1833 01:20:30,260 --> 01:20:27,730 years later on a follow-up interview 1834 01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:30,270 with him it's an amazing amazing story 1835 01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:33,910 that was the case among others that made 1836 01:20:37,890 --> 01:20:35,710 us aware there was a lot more to the 1837 01:20:40,380 --> 01:20:37,900 Bigfoot UFO phenomena that any of us 1838 01:20:42,180 --> 01:20:40,390 could ever imagine hey Stan let me ask 1839 01:20:45,870 --> 01:20:42,190 you what do you think of the idea of 1840 01:20:47,490 --> 01:20:45,880 shooting at the these things I mean it 1841 01:20:50,910 --> 01:20:47,500 doesn't it seem to be counterproductive 1842 01:20:53,790 --> 01:20:50,920 I mean by this time we know that any 1843 01:20:55,980 --> 01:20:53,800 number of shots have been fired and they 1844 01:20:58,740 --> 01:20:55,990 don't seem to have any effect whatsoever 1845 01:21:02,820 --> 01:20:58,750 doesn't it tend to piss off the 1846 01:21:04,650 --> 01:21:02,830 creatures I agree I do not recommend the 1847 01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:04,660 shooting at them in the many years we 1848 01:21:09,780 --> 01:21:06,400 were out in the field we did not take 1849 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:09,790 weapons with us and in multitudes of 1850 01:21:14,370 --> 01:21:11,770 cases that I've talked about and written 1851 01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:14,380 about they used people who've used 1852 01:21:18,420 --> 01:21:16,930 all types of weapons and nobody's have a 1853 01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:18,430 problem with that a couple cases they 1854 01:21:20,850 --> 01:21:20,260 hit them they generally fell on the 1855 01:21:24,630 --> 01:21:20,860 ground 1856 01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:24,640 generally he got up and walked off I can 1857 01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:26,290 tell you how the multitude of the case I 1858 01:21:31,740 --> 01:21:28,570 worked on these things do not appear to 1859 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:31,750 be hostile to humans they appear to be 1860 01:21:36,630 --> 01:21:34,570 not aggressive in most cases even a case 1861 01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,640 where people shot at them sometimes the 1862 01:21:41,010 --> 01:21:38,560 creatures chased them short distance and 1863 01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:41,020 they turned and ran off but generally 1864 01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:42,880 they appear to be not aggressive they 1865 01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:45,280 seem to be interested human activity but 1866 01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:47,290 I don't recommend people shooting at 1867 01:21:53,790 --> 01:21:50,950 these things and again some of the cases 1868 01:21:57,180 --> 01:21:53,800 are very strange including very well 1869 01:21:59,160 --> 01:21:57,190 documented February 6 1974 years in your 1870 01:22:01,970 --> 01:21:59,170 Ohio pileup in Fayette County again 1871 01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:01,980 right along the ridge where a woman 1872 01:22:06,570 --> 01:22:04,450 heard a commotion on her a little cabin 1873 01:22:09,210 --> 01:22:06,580 porch deep in the mountains grabbed her 1874 01:22:11,220 --> 01:22:09,220 shotgun went out on the porch and 1875 01:22:13,710 --> 01:22:11,230 standing in front of her a few feet away 1876 01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:13,720 it's a seven to eight foot tall Bigfoot 1877 01:22:17,850 --> 01:22:15,190 with its arms straight up over his head 1878 01:22:19,860 --> 01:22:17,860 she fires right into it with her shotgun 1879 01:22:22,890 --> 01:22:19,870 and the creature disappeared in a flash 1880 01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:22,900 of light and her in-laws lived a hundred 1881 01:22:26,460 --> 01:22:24,490 feet away heard the gunshot 1882 01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:26,470 her son-in-law grabbed his pistol 1883 01:22:30,540 --> 01:22:28,480 started walking up towards the cabin in 1884 01:22:31,380 --> 01:22:30,550 the dark saw a figure running up the 1885 01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,390 road 1886 01:22:35,730 --> 01:22:33,520 surrounded by four or five hairy people 1887 01:22:37,980 --> 01:22:35,740 with eyes like coals of fire start 1888 01:22:40,380 --> 01:22:37,990 shooting and a randomly and as you ran 1889 01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:40,390 into them they noticed this large object 1890 01:22:44,820 --> 01:22:43,510 with like bright lights on like a big 1891 01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:44,830 Christmas ornament hovering over the 1892 01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:47,230 woods at the same time and back at that 1893 01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:48,880 time was when we had that big national 1894 01:22:53,940 --> 01:22:51,520 truckers strike and gas rationing so the 1895 01:22:56,580 --> 01:22:53,950 National Guardsman and state police were 1896 01:22:58,380 --> 01:22:56,590 patrolling together both went up to the 1897 01:23:00,840 --> 01:22:58,390 scene I got there the next morning 1898 01:23:03,090 --> 01:23:00,850 because I couldn't get gas and the state 1899 01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:03,100 two primary investigator told me that I 1900 01:23:06,150 --> 01:23:04,900 don't know what happened up here he said 1901 01:23:07,470 --> 01:23:06,160 by the time we found the place 1902 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:07,480 everything was gone but he said 1903 01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:10,330 something very weird went on and he said 1904 01:23:15,180 --> 01:23:13,210 he based it on how the animals responded 1905 01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:15,190 and that's something I have seen I've 1906 01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,480 never had a you know for a Bigfoot 1907 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:18,400 experience myself believe it or not but 1908 01:23:22,650 --> 01:23:19,930 I've seen how the animals react 1909 01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:22,660 especially the most vicious dogs when 1910 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:23,920 they're close to these creatures 1911 01:23:27,870 --> 01:23:26,290 - like paralyzed in fear they don't 1912 01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:27,880 burnt they don't move they cower they 1913 01:23:32,220 --> 01:23:30,400 cry sometimes they don't even act normal 1914 01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:32,230 - a few days later so that's something 1915 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:34,930 that's very intriguing and any animal 1916 01:23:39,870 --> 01:23:37,930 mutilations they're not that calm in 1917 01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:39,880 this part of the country we have had a 1918 01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:42,730 few incidents when this was going on the 1919 01:23:48,660 --> 01:23:45,760 70s we did have some dogs have been 1920 01:23:51,210 --> 01:23:48,670 killing unusually there was chickens 1921 01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:51,220 were found torn up we hear about that on 1922 01:23:55,980 --> 01:23:54,190 occasion but it is very rare even though 1923 01:23:57,540 --> 01:23:55,990 I've had reports of a Bigfoot carrying 1924 01:24:01,800 --> 01:23:57,550 gear over their shoulders or chasing 1925 01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:01,810 deer and and Paul how about you any any 1926 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:05,920 negative aspect of this yeah from time 1927 01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:09,010 to time there are abductions of course 1928 01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:11,170 that that's that's up for grabs we have 1929 01:24:16,830 --> 01:24:14,320 had issues of some cattle mutilation 1930 01:24:19,260 --> 01:24:16,840 reports in New Hampshire we also had a 1931 01:24:21,570 --> 01:24:19,270 fish mutilation report that was new to 1932 01:24:23,310 --> 01:24:21,580 me but down to no fish fish look pretty 1933 01:24:25,140 --> 01:24:23,320 sorry anyway when they're up on the 1934 01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:25,150 beach for a couple of weeks I'm I don't 1935 01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:27,730 know but nothing you really put your 1936 01:24:30,690 --> 01:24:29,140 finger up but I agree with standard 1937 01:24:31,980 --> 01:24:30,700 they're not that common in this part of 1938 01:24:34,369 --> 01:24:31,990 the country but we have had a few 1939 01:24:36,389 --> 01:24:34,379 whispers 1940 01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:36,399 because our negative things are 1941 01:24:41,549 --> 01:24:40,239 concerned yeah because our specialty at 1942 01:24:44,189 --> 01:24:41,559 least my suppose has always been what we 1943 01:24:46,169 --> 01:24:44,199 call parasites parasitical entities who 1944 01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:46,179 will you know they're part of nature 1945 01:24:52,259 --> 01:24:49,840 they'll mimic their multiversal we think 1946 01:24:54,569 --> 01:24:52,269 but they'll they'll mimic things like 1947 01:24:55,919 --> 01:24:54,579 Uncle Uncle Chuck you know you're 1948 01:24:57,540 --> 01:24:55,929 convinced it's one of your loved ones 1949 01:24:59,040 --> 01:24:57,550 and they were actually pushing buttons 1950 01:25:01,109 --> 01:24:59,050 so they can feed on your energy and this 1951 01:25:03,179 --> 01:25:01,119 kind of thing folklore calls them demons 1952 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:03,189 and all the other and they fill the bill 1953 01:25:07,819 --> 01:25:05,530 so yeah we run into that in connection 1954 01:25:11,250 --> 01:25:07,829 with a lot of these cases is that the 1955 01:25:13,020 --> 01:25:11,260 they do seem to be associated with UFO 1956 01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:13,030 phenomena as I say that's why we deal 1957 01:25:17,759 --> 01:25:15,369 with some of the MUFON people who run 1958 01:25:19,859 --> 01:25:17,769 into the crossover phenomena we don't 1959 01:25:22,849 --> 01:25:19,869 necessarily have ever really seen 1960 01:25:26,250 --> 01:25:22,859 Bigfoot as such associated with anything 1961 01:25:28,020 --> 01:25:26,260 negative okay so it's funny you've got 1962 01:25:31,619 --> 01:25:28,030 Bigfoot associated with UFOs and 1963 01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:31,629 parasites associated with UFOs but not 1964 01:25:37,859 --> 01:25:33,760 not so much parasites and Bigfoot at 1965 01:25:41,099 --> 01:25:37,869 least not so far which is interesting do 1966 01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:41,109 you think do you think that they'll ever 1967 01:25:45,899 --> 01:25:44,050 be well I don't even know what the what 1968 01:25:48,029 --> 01:25:45,909 the board is here there ever be an 1969 01:25:50,189 --> 01:25:48,039 outcome to this I mean I can't imagine 1970 01:25:52,409 --> 01:25:50,199 that they're that there could be I mean 1971 01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:52,419 a Bigfoot isn't gonna step out of a ship 1972 01:25:57,869 --> 01:25:55,030 and say hey I'm I'm from Guatemala or 1973 01:26:00,869 --> 01:25:57,879 the reason that were the reason that I'm 1974 01:26:05,399 --> 01:26:00,879 here is because of such an this such and 1975 01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:05,409 such and so well go go ahead Stan okay 1976 01:26:10,859 --> 01:26:08,050 that's fine what I was gonna say I kind 1977 01:26:12,689 --> 01:26:10,869 of agree with staying Friedmann that you 1978 01:26:14,459 --> 01:26:12,699 know you know don't expect this to 1979 01:26:16,469 --> 01:26:14,469 happen because why would they want to 1980 01:26:18,959 --> 01:26:16,479 talk to us we're as he puts at a 1981 01:26:20,909 --> 01:26:18,969 primitive species whose primary activity 1982 01:26:24,199 --> 01:26:20,919 is tribal warfare why would they want to 1983 01:26:27,810 --> 01:26:24,209 talk to well even Bigfoot I don't know 1984 01:26:29,969 --> 01:26:27,820 yeah and and again you know what what I 1985 01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:29,979 want to stress is I'm not trying to say 1986 01:26:34,409 --> 01:26:32,320 that Bigfoot is in a passage is a 1987 01:26:36,209 --> 01:26:34,419 passenger in a spacecraft from another 1988 01:26:37,799 --> 01:26:36,219 world because we don't know what we're 1989 01:26:39,929 --> 01:26:37,809 dealing we don't even know what the UFOs 1990 01:26:42,569 --> 01:26:39,939 represent there's many theories out 1991 01:26:44,219 --> 01:26:42,579 there for years and years I believe for 1992 01:26:46,619 --> 01:26:44,229 a long time there's more than one origin 1993 01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:46,629 for the unknown category but some of 1994 01:26:49,060 --> 01:26:47,209 these may be 1995 01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:49,070 small percentage be extraterrestrial 1996 01:26:53,649 --> 01:26:52,400 possibly a more and more again for a 1997 01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:53,659 lack of a better term I think we're 1998 01:26:57,370 --> 01:26:54,530 dealing with something it's 1999 01:27:01,479 --> 01:26:57,380 interdimensional time travelers on no 2000 01:27:04,649 --> 01:27:01,489 natural phenomena we don't know can't it 2001 01:27:07,569 --> 01:27:04,659 can't likely be interplanetary I mean 2002 01:27:10,029 --> 01:27:07,579 these things just still okay I mean we 2003 01:27:12,969 --> 01:27:10,039 can't expect it to going to behave 2004 01:27:15,429 --> 01:27:12,979 exactly like we would I mean we're 2005 01:27:18,370 --> 01:27:15,439 pretty bizarre too we go to the Moon 2006 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:18,380 Moon and Mars and we jump down a ladder 2007 01:27:24,669 --> 01:27:20,570 and plant the American flag or or 2008 01:27:27,819 --> 01:27:24,679 whatever flag that we want to do to plan 2009 01:27:30,669 --> 01:27:27,829 and and and a race of beings there might 2010 01:27:34,569 --> 01:27:30,679 say well what are these people are doing 2011 01:27:36,939 --> 01:27:34,579 jumping around on on the you know on our 2012 01:27:39,779 --> 01:27:36,949 on our surface you know they're banging 2013 01:27:43,390 --> 01:27:39,789 on our the hatch wait or a town or 2014 01:27:45,429 --> 01:27:43,400 something like that you know but they 2015 01:27:48,100 --> 01:27:45,439 but they do I mean they're just 2016 01:27:51,129 --> 01:27:48,110 something so totally a bizarre and 2017 01:27:53,469 --> 01:27:51,139 freakish about their behavior I mean by 2018 01:27:55,540 --> 01:27:53,479 this time you know why would they need 2019 01:27:58,750 --> 01:27:55,550 to abduct so many a people and why do 2020 01:28:00,879 --> 01:27:58,760 they need to grab soil the samples and 2021 01:28:03,729 --> 01:28:00,889 how come they come in a hundred shapes 2022 01:28:07,209 --> 01:28:03,739 and and designs not only they're the 2023 01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:07,219 craft but the the beings themselves and 2024 01:28:12,549 --> 01:28:09,170 if they're Bigfoot why don't they shave 2025 01:28:14,620 --> 01:28:12,559 before they land you know I write you 2026 01:28:16,270 --> 01:28:14,630 know again for years and years when I 2027 01:28:18,129 --> 01:28:16,280 started everybody thought these things 2028 01:28:20,140 --> 01:28:18,139 are extraterrestrial well the more I 2029 01:28:22,299 --> 01:28:20,150 learned about the phenomena the more and 2030 01:28:24,189 --> 01:28:22,309 more I'm getting away from that idea I I 2031 01:28:26,919 --> 01:28:24,199 don't think we can limit it possibility 2032 01:28:30,219 --> 01:28:26,929 of maybe a few of these reports could be 2033 01:28:32,199 --> 01:28:30,229 but again well why the UFO reports these 2034 01:28:34,359 --> 01:28:32,209 things even in daylight say physically 2035 01:28:37,660 --> 01:28:34,369 to change form they appear and disappear 2036 01:28:40,540 --> 01:28:37,670 and and I've study the background some 2037 01:28:42,459 --> 01:28:40,550 people who've had these encounters had 2038 01:28:44,319 --> 01:28:42,469 some strange things show up over the 2039 01:28:47,319 --> 01:28:44,329 years I remember years ago there was a 2040 01:28:49,179 --> 01:28:47,329 group of people and only a small number 2041 01:28:51,339 --> 01:28:49,189 within that group could see the object 2042 01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:51,349 hovering over top and describing while 2043 01:28:54,729 --> 01:28:53,209 the other people couldn't see it so 2044 01:28:56,529 --> 01:28:54,739 could it be that certain people have 2045 01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:56,539 certain abilities they're able to 2046 01:29:01,229 --> 01:28:59,679 perceive this phenomena or is it that 2047 01:29:03,810 --> 01:29:01,239 phenomena could be attracted to certain 2048 01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:03,820 people it's a very very complicated 2049 01:29:08,429 --> 01:29:06,369 phenomena you know I think right now a 2050 01:29:09,689 --> 01:29:08,439 lot of what we're dealing with is so far 2051 01:29:12,029 --> 01:29:09,699 beyond our present scientific 2052 01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:12,039 understanding that someday we'll have 2053 01:29:16,739 --> 01:29:14,409 the instrumentation technology to maybe 2054 01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:16,749 I understand what we're dealing with 2055 01:29:21,419 --> 01:29:18,489 right now I think is beyond our 2056 01:29:24,209 --> 01:29:21,429 capabilities understand how do you know 2057 01:29:26,879 --> 01:29:24,219 they talk about they talk about 2058 01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:26,889 disclosure well how could you disclose 2059 01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,159 this I mean you know some people see it 2060 01:29:33,779 --> 01:29:32,800 as a a religion from a religious point 2061 01:29:35,580 --> 01:29:33,789 of view 2062 01:29:38,219 --> 01:29:35,590 some people like Santa Freeman and I 2063 01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:38,229 want to see it in a strict you know 2064 01:29:46,919 --> 01:29:43,360 scientific terms where the object can be 2065 01:29:49,290 --> 01:29:46,929 weighed and the the visitors can shake 2066 01:29:51,029 --> 01:29:49,300 your your hand even if they are 2067 01:29:52,529 --> 01:29:51,039 contaminated I don't think they want to 2068 01:29:54,929 --> 01:29:52,539 come down and shake anybody's hand in 2069 01:29:58,290 --> 01:29:54,939 the last couple of weeks I I wouldn't I 2070 01:29:59,729 --> 01:29:58,300 wouldn't recommend that that's for their 2071 01:30:02,899 --> 01:29:59,739 sure you know but there's so many 2072 01:30:06,929 --> 01:30:02,909 approaches to this how how does anybody 2073 01:30:10,500 --> 01:30:06,939 in the in Washington or in the Pentagon 2074 01:30:13,979 --> 01:30:10,510 especially today get on TV and have to 2075 01:30:16,350 --> 01:30:13,989 explain any of this to the unwashed 2076 01:30:17,549 --> 01:30:16,360 masses because they're just not they're 2077 01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:17,559 not going to follow it they're going to 2078 01:30:24,359 --> 01:30:22,510 think that Satan is behind me like well 2079 01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:24,369 I I agree and as I mentioned earlier I 2080 01:30:28,169 --> 01:30:26,170 believe the government knows a lot more 2081 01:30:29,549 --> 01:30:28,179 than they're telling us but I don't 2082 01:30:30,810 --> 01:30:29,559 believe in all the answers themselves 2083 01:30:33,239 --> 01:30:30,820 are trying to figure it out 2084 01:30:35,129 --> 01:30:33,249 there's no doubt I believe what they've 2085 01:30:36,419 --> 01:30:35,139 been monitoring the phenomena for years 2086 01:30:39,419 --> 01:30:36,429 and years around the country and around 2087 01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:39,429 the world they know it exists but they 2088 01:30:42,839 --> 01:30:40,570 don't have the answers themselves 2089 01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,849 they're not in control what's happening 2090 01:30:50,669 --> 01:30:44,320 and they're just trying to figure out 2091 01:30:52,410 --> 01:30:50,679 what's going on yeah oh yeah why and 2092 01:30:55,109 --> 01:30:52,420 that's you know Greg Bishop talks about 2093 01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:55,119 that and you know I mean he says that a 2094 01:31:01,589 --> 01:30:57,280 lot of times you know government 2095 01:31:02,459 --> 01:31:01,599 military officials will basically almost 2096 01:31:06,959 --> 01:31:02,469 grill 2097 01:31:08,699 --> 01:31:06,969 UFO investigators because they they 2098 01:31:10,979 --> 01:31:08,709 think that possibly you know they may 2099 01:31:13,470 --> 01:31:10,989 have more knowledge than the the 2100 01:31:14,970 --> 01:31:13,480 government or military does yes 2101 01:31:17,490 --> 01:31:14,980 well you know your poll is bringing up 2102 01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:17,500 about you know are these mystery men to 2103 01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:19,600 get involved some UK are they government 2104 01:31:24,150 --> 01:31:21,280 or are they somebody else that I'd say 2105 01:31:27,210 --> 01:31:24,160 we might be dealing with both I can tell 2106 01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:27,220 you during the 73 Bigfoot outbreak and 2107 01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:31,450 UFO outbreak here I did I was contacted 2108 01:31:35,670 --> 01:31:33,730 by some government officials I did meet 2109 01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:35,680 with them they were very interested and 2110 01:31:39,690 --> 01:31:37,810 a researcher was going on here but also 2111 01:31:41,490 --> 01:31:39,700 I received a phone call from a gentleman 2112 01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:41,500 told me he worked for the government I 2113 01:31:46,260 --> 01:31:44,080 was provided the name of a contact an 2114 01:31:47,850 --> 01:31:46,270 animal laboratory in Washington I was 2115 01:31:50,430 --> 01:31:47,860 given the contact number and the address 2116 01:31:52,650 --> 01:31:50,440 in the event that we came up with any 2117 01:31:54,780 --> 01:31:52,660 really good solid physical evidence of a 2118 01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:54,790 Bigfoot or body for me to contact them 2119 01:31:59,760 --> 01:31:56,890 and I was able to confirm that that 2120 01:32:01,110 --> 01:31:59,770 information was accurate and other 2121 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:01,120 things have happened over the years 2122 01:32:05,370 --> 01:32:03,610 which continues to suggest that I 2123 01:32:06,930 --> 01:32:05,380 believe the government has there's a 2124 01:32:10,170 --> 01:32:06,940 good possibility they're interested in 2125 01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:10,180 some of these cases you know where we're 2126 01:32:17,100 --> 01:32:14,110 headed towards the midnight hour here 2127 01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:17,110 where a Bigfoot will soon be banging on 2128 01:32:23,850 --> 01:32:20,800 our front front door and ringing our 2129 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:23,860 ringing our buzzer and wanting either 2130 01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:27,370 candy or our hides so I I think that we 2131 01:32:33,180 --> 01:32:30,370 should go at him around the table a 2132 01:32:35,340 --> 01:32:33,190 one-time here and allow our guests to 2133 01:32:37,500 --> 01:32:35,350 tell us what they're working on 2134 01:32:40,350 --> 01:32:37,510 currently how people can contact them 2135 01:32:43,410 --> 01:32:40,360 and what we can expect in the future so 2136 01:32:46,979 --> 01:32:43,420 stand your turn all right well people 2137 01:32:48,780 --> 01:32:46,989 can become updated with reports and also 2138 01:32:50,250 --> 01:32:48,790 different events coming up with many 2139 01:32:52,350 --> 01:32:50,260 many things are planned throughout the 2140 01:32:56,820 --> 01:32:52,360 year already coming up so they get them 2141 01:32:59,370 --> 01:32:56,830 a website Stan Gordon info INF oh my 2142 01:33:00,840 --> 01:32:59,380 silent invasion book covers the 73 s all 2143 01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:00,850 those weird weird things going on with 2144 01:33:05,580 --> 01:33:03,760 Bigfoot UFOs I have really mysterious 2145 01:33:08,010 --> 01:33:05,590 Pennsylvania my recent book is 2146 01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:08,020 astonishing encounters Pennsylvania's 2147 01:33:11,660 --> 01:33:10,000 unknown creatures gets into all kinds of 2148 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:11,670 very very weird 2149 01:33:15,900 --> 01:33:14,410 cryptozoology cases again many suggest 2150 01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:15,910 we're dealing with something that's not 2151 01:33:19,729 --> 01:33:18,130 physical in nature and they're all 2152 01:33:22,500 --> 01:33:19,739 available at amazon.com 2153 01:33:24,270 --> 01:33:22,510 barnesandnoble.com or signed copies 2154 01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:24,280 through my website at Stan Gordon dot 2155 01:33:28,460 --> 01:33:25,530 info 2156 01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:28,470 and let's not forget the invasion on the 2157 01:33:36,290 --> 01:33:31,530 Chestnut Ridge which is also available 2158 01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:36,300 on Amazon and along with some of the 2159 01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:39,450 other very groovy small-town monsters 2160 01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:41,250 how can we forget about small-town 2161 01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:44,610 monsters and Paul this is your 2162 01:33:49,340 --> 01:33:46,800 opportunity to suck a few of our 2163 01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:49,350 listeners it well thank you Tim I don't 2164 01:33:54,590 --> 01:33:51,690 put it that way you can start with 2165 01:33:57,970 --> 01:33:54,600 behind the paranormal calm 2166 01:34:01,700 --> 01:33:57,980 there were over 730 hours of our show 2167 01:34:03,140 --> 01:34:01,710 CBS and W oon and a few others that 2168 01:34:06,290 --> 01:34:03,150 we've been on the air for almost 10 2169 01:34:09,260 --> 01:34:06,300 years I've written some books and 2170 01:34:10,430 --> 01:34:09,270 together lately Ben and I my son have my 2171 01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:10,440 in coast I've been writing books 2172 01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:14,310 together the one 2016 that brought up a 2173 01:34:18,110 --> 01:34:16,290 chifforobe books is behind the 2174 01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:18,120 paranormal everything you know is raw 2175 01:34:23,420 --> 01:34:20,730 and the last year's book was behind the 2176 01:34:26,060 --> 01:34:23,430 paranormal Bigfoot Mothman and monsters 2177 01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:26,070 you've never heard of so it doesn't the 2178 01:34:29,630 --> 01:34:27,690 first one is the stories both of them 2179 01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:29,640 are on on the website in the book shop 2180 01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:34,080 and you're welcome we just got the 2181 01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:35,730 one-minute warning from our producer 2182 01:34:41,300 --> 01:34:38,610 Tina and I want to tell of course our 2183 01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:41,310 listeners we have cryptids from the dark 2184 01:34:46,630 --> 01:34:43,920 realms and the forthcoming it should be 2185 01:34:50,620 --> 01:34:46,640 out within a week or so weird winged 2186 01:34:53,900 --> 01:34:50,630 wonders with contributors by 2187 01:34:56,810 --> 01:34:53,910 contributions by a Paul and Brad and 2188 01:35:00,260 --> 01:34:56,820 Sheri Sagar and everybody else who knows 2189 01:35:02,570 --> 01:35:00,270 about winged weird wonders and Tim 2190 01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:02,580 anything on your docket oh no I'm just 2191 01:35:06,740 --> 01:35:04,290 saying that I just can't wait to read 2192 01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:06,750 that book well it is a massive 2193 01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:09,450 collection it started out it was going 2194 01:35:14,150 --> 01:35:12,000 to be oh just a hundred pages I think 2195 01:35:16,430 --> 01:35:14,160 it's up to 250 now well you know how we 2196 01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:16,440 keep adding to it and thank you Peter 2197 01:35:24,140 --> 01:35:18,810 thank you Carol Thank You Helen thank 2198 01:35:26,420 --> 01:35:24,150 you for the staff of K cor who keeps us 2199 01:35:28,490 --> 01:35:26,430 on the air and to Tina in particular and 2200 01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:28,500 good night all and don't forget our 2201 01:35:38,860 --> 01:35:31,110 YouTube channel mystery UFOs secret 2202 01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:41,720 you've been listening to exploring the 2203 01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:45,690 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and T 2204 01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:48,960 Swartz they're taking back the night by 2205 01:35:54,410 --> 01:35:51,600 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 2206 01:35:58,199 --> 01:35:54,420 search of the truly bizarre and totally 2207 01:36:00,739 --> 01:35:58,209 unexplained with you as their combined 2208 01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:00,749 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 2209 01:36:08,069 --> 01:36:05,199 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K 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